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Big_Bird
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 Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:04 am Post subject: The War on Democracy: A Film by John Pilger |
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Here is a little trailer for Pilger's new film. The War on Democracy: A Film by John Pilger
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| America likes to talk about "spreading democracy", but in his latest film John Pilger argues that the US is actually stifling its progress. The War on Democracy shows that the principles of democracy can be found more readily among the poorest people of Latin America than anywhere near the corridors of the White House. It features an exclusive interview with Hugo Ch�vez and Pilger also speaks to former US government officials who claim the CIA waged covert wars in Latin America. Through this film, Pilger conveys his central belief in the enduring power of the people. |
I'm sure it'll give some of you something to snap and snarl over.  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| John Pliger supports the Iraqi insurgents. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:20 am Post subject: |
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I am as opposed to the idiotic notion of spreading democracy buy sword as I am to other colonial adventures.
But, after watching this video it seems the dude wants to hold up Chavez and his lefy ilk as somekind of an answer for the poor. Aside from empirical proof that this isn't the case, he is misusing the world "democracy" when doing so.
Unless gang-rape is democratic. 3 men and 1 woman voting on if they will have sex or not. For Chavez it is. For him, there is no legal value above his choice.
Also, it would seem from this preview that this will be yet another lefty tirade on how LA is poor because American did this and that, while excusing the other dominant force in the region at the same time. The dominant force that they supported.
Latin America is poor and unequal and will stay this way. Chavez will eventually be unseated by a right-wing military strongman, who will be removed by a left-wing firebrand. And so it will go.
It gives the uni kids something to talk about, though.
Lastly, the idea that "people power" is unique to Latin America (as Pilger asserts) is really quite stunning. It is as if the left wants to forget that the world has kept turning since the cold war ended. People power? The color revolutions? Did these not happen? How about Africa? Has there not been a single populist-driven governmental change there? |
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ddeubel
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:01 am Post subject: |
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Latin America is poor and unequal and will stay this way. Chavez will eventually be unseated by a right-wing military strongman, who will be removed by a left-wing firebrand. And so it will go.
It gives the uni kids something to talk about, though. |
I will comment on the film privately. Neither or - But this above just betrays the most simplistic and most banal observation of S.America. Clearly, you see nothing of worth there and label your observations as such....much like all your prognastics, gymnastics. Pie in the sky. Stuff it.
The future is for all. And you brand of entitlement deserves to be decried against anywhere, anyplace, anytime. Sick and tired of you pontificating when in truth you are just slying selling snake oil and one version of the story which is civilization.....
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thepeel
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:10 am Post subject: |
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Latin America is poor and unequal and will stay this way. Chavez will eventually be unseated by a right-wing military strongman, who will be removed by a left-wing firebrand. And so it will go.
It gives the uni kids something to talk about, though. |
I will comment on the film privately. Neither or - But this above just betrays the most simplistic and most banal observation of S.America. Clearly, you see nothing of worth there and label your observations as such....much like all your prognastics, gymnastics. Pie in the sky. Stuff it.
The future is for all. And you brand of entitlement deserves to be decried against anywhere, anyplace, anytime. Sick and tired of you pontificating when in truth you are just slying selling snake oil and one version of the story which is civilization.....
DD |
The undacovabrotha speaks to me! And misuses prognostics for the second time!
History repeats. Accept it. Chavez is part of the eternal reoccurrence of Latin American strongmen. He will be followed by his Yang, who will be tight with the military and even tighter with the USA. This will be followed by Hugo's kid, or cousin or similar. And so on.
Ultimately the problem is that economic and political power are concentrated in the hands of the elite which makes abuse inevitable. But I won't stress you with such details. K.I.S.S., when speaking with you, eh?
Take a good read of the history. This is how things work over there. |
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ddeubel
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| The undacovabrotha speaks to me! And misuses prognostics for the second time! |
Me the pie man will say to simple Simon -- you wouldn't know satire if it shat out your arse and set a burning bush afire..... speaks volumes about your ability to "read"....
Strongmen? You've bought into Latin American history 101. I thought you were through with high school.
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thepeel
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
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| The undacovabrotha speaks to me! And misuses prognostics for the second time! |
Me the pie man will say to simple Simon -- you wouldn't know satire if it shat out your arse and set a burning bush afire..... speaks volumes about your ability to "read"....
Strongmen? You've bought into Latin American history 101. I thought you were through with high school.
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I'll help you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caudillo . |
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Big_Bird
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Pilger is a left wing fascist. |
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thepeel
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Alias
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Pilger is a left wing fascist. |
Why is that now? |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: The War on Democracy: A Film by John Pilger |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
Here is a little trailer for Pilger's new film. The War on Democracy: A Film by John Pilger
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| America likes to talk about "spreading democracy", but in his latest film John Pilger argues that the US is actually stifling its progress. The War on Democracy shows that the principles of democracy can be found more readily among the poorest people of Latin America than anywhere near the corridors of the White House. It features an exclusive interview with Hugo Ch�vez and Pilger also speaks to former US government officials who claim the CIA waged covert wars in Latin America. Through this film, Pilger conveys his central belief in the enduring power of the people. |
I'm sure it'll give some of you something to snap and snarl over. |
Here is another good one:
The new documentary �War Made Easy� isn�t just a searing critique of how administrations over the past 40 years have manipulated the media to build support for war. The 72-minute film is a media provocation itself - a challenge to federal copyright laws.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/08/17/3221/ |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Alias wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Pilger is a left wing fascist. |
Why is that now? |
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ohn Pilger defines antisemitism
The Guardian carries a letter from John Pilger depicting Egypt as a wronged party in the Yom Kippur War of 1973. There's a time and a place for everything, and Pilger's eccentric historical interpretations are not the subject of this post. But one of the statements within the letter makes a curious juxtaposition with a story elsewhere in the same edition of the paper. Pilger writes:
According to [Jonathan] Freedland, the present Israeli regime is merely "a clumsy prizefighter driven to fury by a fly buzzing around its ears". His description of the entire Palestinian resistance as buzzing flies would be shocking if it did not accurately reflect Israeli racism, itself a virulent form of anti-semitism.
You read that last clause right: Pilger is making an accusation not only of Israeli racism - a standard trope of the extreme Left - but also of Israeli anti-semitism. It's not a misprint: it's a libel he fully intends.
The reasoning behind Pilger's bizarre accusation is pure sophistry. It is common on the extreme Left, and it runs like this. Israelis complain about the prejudiced character of parts of the popular culture of the Arab world (for example, a television drama assuming the truth of the notorious Tsarist forgery the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion; Palestinian textbooks retailing venerable anti-Jewish libels). They are, according to the anti-Israel campaigners, being disingenuous however in levelling accusations of anti-semitism, because the Arabs themselves are a semitic people. How then could it possibly be true to describe the Palestinian Authority and other Arab groups as guilty of anti-semitism, when they are themselves semites? (This is presented as a rhetorical question and conversation-stopper, but it's generally followed, as in Pilger's letter, by accusations of Israeli racism, colonialism and manifold other sins of commission and omission.)
I'm no fan of Pilger's, but I think this calumny is the most egregious remark I've come across even from that source. What's wrong with it is that it reduces the suffering of the Jewish people - most obviously the attempt in the last century to kill every Jew in Europe, but a Judaeophobia that has lasted literally millennia - by means of semantic trickery. It is a historical accident that the term 'anti-semitism' exists at all, let alone is the common term for anti-Jewish prejudice. The term was coined only in the second half of the nineteenth century by a German anti-Jewish polemicist, Wilhelm Marr. Marr argued that western civilisation had been infiltrated by a pernicious Jewish influence, and he established his own Anti-Semitic League in 1871 to further his anti-Jewish demagoguery. |
He is also a supporter of the Iraqi insurgents .
http://oliverkamm.typepad.com/blog/2003/10/john_pilger_def.html |
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Alias
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Read the article?
So why is Pilger a "Left-wing Fascist" again? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:35 am Post subject: |
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Pilger is a left wing fascist.
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This is a contradiction in terms, unless you mean something like he's playing Mussolini to someone's Hitler. |
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