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flummuxt



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:47 pm    Post subject: Does history matter? Reply with quote

I'm not sure the point of this post. I suppose people will get different things from viewing these clips. And some will perhaps get nothing at all.

This was the world some of us grew up in, a world of fallout shelters, air raid drills in school, daily testing of air raid sirens, Conelrad alert test messages on radio and television. Programs on television about nuclear winter, such as The Twilight Zone. And childhood nightmares.

And then there were those in Japan who lived this nightmare firsthand.

Does history matter? History is not just about events, but about a state of mind. The fallout shelter documentary helps convey the state of mind of people in the United States in the 1950s and 60s. Most people had some sort of stockpile in the basement, if they had one. Some people even built fully contained bomb shelters under their yards.

You could sometimes see the stockpiles of food and water in a corner of a parking garage, the same drums in the fallout shelter documentary. The yellow and black placards were a common sight. There were people thinking the unthinkable, and actually preparing for it.

We somehow survived the Cold War and its nuclear sword of Damocles. Now we have a so called War on Terror and other problems. Chances are we will survive this, too. History kind of puts things in perspective.

At any rate, if you are interested, here are some clips about the development of the atomic bomb, and its consequences. I found the nuclear cannon clip particularly interesting, as I never knew such a weapon existed:


http://youtube.com/watch?v=jz4c6IWHpVM&mode=related&search= Trinity - the beginning

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XH907H1wadE Trinity test documentary

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CqgFZ3z_RZc Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Documentary

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MLmTwmsdfFM Filming Trinity

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tw-0skuQSnU FALLOUT SHELTER - PART 1

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DVsy_pcdoZo&mode=related&search= FALLOUT SHELTER PART 2

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5BIR5nv4Eyw&mode=related&search= FALLOUT SHELTER- PART 3

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fK59mA42ne4&mode=related&search= FALLOUT SHELTER- PART 4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Dvfh7u2q6Y&mode=related&search= FALLOUT SHELTER- PART 5

http://youtube.com/w/?v=1fkA6fgkwKo&session=DsbqX795zWVJ0h_--HeCK6qVd2AxCco6dc2Xbh-SO-Nydo4XeX91pFxcNNgMTL1DP-BTaCRVsppebms9kOuDndbT4zKEE0ZPYulFg_Cwq6hhqPXh_HnWGHCnd3SR6dkV-BYVTuF7ahyN1p0IalLwpH2NcZlC2elVVB64f6tWaffblQzkfdxxisN06c_OQtvuFfkIUzLVBSPCzqi2WLNnKhQ6sySOkjypjati2fS6Co7-vchZmGMUwHm97JB79_Ym nuclear cannon

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NNcQX033V_M&mode=related&search= New, improved nuclear bomb - First H Bomb test

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wxrWz9XVvls We'll Meet Again
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most people had some sort of stockpile in the basement, if they had one.


Everyone in my little town where I grew up had a basement, but no one at all had a fallout shelter or stockpile of food. None. We had fire drills at school, but never once had an air raid drill or hid under our desks. (I started kindergarten in '54.)

I think a lot of that was just hype. Obviously, some people had those experiences, but I'm dubious about how wide-spread it was.

There are plenty of survivalists who do that kind of thing now. I think it was probably the 'parents' of those same people doing it back then.
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flummuxt



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps it depended on whether you lived near a nuclear target. They didn't have intercontinental ballistic missiles in 1954. But they sure did by the time of the Cuban missile crisis in 1962.

Thanks to suborbital missiles, a nuclear target could be a big city, a military base, a defense industry plant, a nuclear missile launching site, anywhere in the country.

By the end of the 60s there weren't too many places that could not boast of having at least one of these in the general vicinity. Except perhaps Vermont.

I lived near New York City. I can assure you people were nervous. I remember surveying a friend's basement stockpile, and both of us expressing skepticism that people would survive in there, given how close it would be to a nuclear blast and that there were windows. But it was better than nothing.

Do you think the Russians would have dropped a hydrogen bomb on Manhattan if we went to war? More than one, perhaps? How many other cities and targets would have been vaporized? How many people would have died?


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jajdude



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does history matter?

Nah, nothing in the past affects me or anyone else.
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