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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| endo wrote: |
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| rocklee wrote: |
| If Japan still occupied Korea would it have been a better place? |
Here's a better question, if the American Rebels had never declared independence would North America and the world be a better place?  |
Absolutely! America would be more like Canada. Well perhaps. |
Yeah, high taxes, people just slummin' on welfare, a brain drain as the best and the brightest would leave to better and less taxed shores, a healthcare system that is great until you need it... |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, it gets annoying when some Koreans dismiss Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, China, etc. as dirty, ugly places with "bad" people... talk about a superiority complex. |
And we can draw an immediate parrallel in a heartbeat. That sounds just too familiar here on Dave's.  |
Also true.
There are always "parrallels" to be drawn from any point, and of course no one is perfect, but do you deny that many Koreans talk, act, and feel this way towards most outsiders, and particularly other Asians, and especially SE Asians? And that maybe this is partially a reason for said "tensions"?
Koreans have both good and bad points just like anyone else...is it not OK to critique and point this out when we notice them? Believe me, they are constantly criticizing others as well... and often from a racially or culturally superiority angle.
To say that Dave's posters often do the same thing is sort of a "I'm rubber you're glue..." kind of thing. |
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doggyji
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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I've also been to the Philippines and told Filipinas that I'm am American living in South Korea. Guess what they are interested in. They ask me which Korean celebrities I've seen, is Korea really like it looks in the dramas, how do I say 'hello' in Korean, etc.
I have no doubt that people directly dealing with Koreans in the tourism and ESL industries have their frustrations. But young Filipinos on the whole, do seem to have a lot of interest in Korean film, K-pop, Korean popular culture, etc. |
That further makes me want to puke at those ignorant Koreans. 
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| To say that Dave's posters often do the same thing is sort of a "I'm rubber you're glue..." kind of thing. |
Just kindly pointing it out in case someone totally forgot. When I don't oppose main accusations against Koreans on a thread I participate in, it automatically means I at least roughly agree with it. I usually see no need to repeat the same thing.
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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I've also been to the Philippines and told Filipinas that I'm am American living in South Korea. Guess what they are interested in. They ask me which Korean celebrities I've seen, is Korea really like it looks in the dramas, how do I say 'hello' in Korean, etc.
I have no doubt that people directly dealing with Koreans in the tourism and ESL industries have their frustrations. But young Filipinos on the whole, do seem to have a lot of interest in Korean film, K-pop, Korean popular culture, etc. |
That further makes me want to puke at those ignorant Koreans. |
doggyji, these guys turned u sarcastic? |
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doggyji
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
| doggyji, these guys turned u sarcastic? |
Haha, not quite. It just upsets me when I hear some arrogant Koreans effortlessly mess things up for good when their neighbours initially have a good opinion of them. Why not win more friends wherever they go...  |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| doggyji wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
| doggyji, these guys turned u sarcastic? |
Haha, not quite. It just upsets me when I hear some arrogant Koreans effortlessly mess things up for good when their neighbours initially have a good opinion of them. Why not win more friends wherever they go... |
eung... yeah, to be honest, filipinos are very friendly people. i never been to the phillipines, but here in LA, filipinos and koreans get along pretty well. it does not surprise me at all that filipinos teach english, as filipino americans score the highest on SAT Verbal (higher than whites), and koreans score the highest on SAT Math...
but yeah, when koreans first came to southern california, a lot of filipinos helped koreans out... but yeah... those stories about some ignorant koreans in the phillipines do make me sad. |
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in_seoul_2003
Joined: 24 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| When I go to the Phils, I tell them I'm from the U.S., and then when they get more inquisitive, I tell them I was born in Korea. Guess what? I got NO BAD SERVICE whatsoever. At a nightclub in Cebu, I picked up this Filipina who specifically looked for Korean guys. She told me all of these Korean songs she liked (and which I'd never heard of, I'm not a fan of K-pop) and several movies she had seen. |
I'm gonna follow this strain of the thread.
I've also been to the Philippines and told Filipinas that I'm am American living in South Korea. Guess what they are interested in. They ask me which Korean celebrities I've seen, is Korea really like it looks in the dramas, how do I say 'hello' in Korean, etc.
I have no doubt that people directly dealing with Koreans in the tourism and ESL industries have their frustrations. But young Filipinos on the whole, do seem to have a lot of interest in Korean film, K-pop, Korean popular culture, etc. |
Unlike some of the personal stories that posters can relate allow me to be the first to give hard empirical evidence that Koreans are not superstars in the Phils.
Anyone who's ever been to Makati knows the hottest spot. It's got the best bars, cafes, restaurants and live music venue. On any given Friday, Saturday, and Sunday it's throbbing with people of all nationalities: Colombians, Japanese, Arabs, Americans, Australians, etc, etc, and of course, Filipinos. But given how many Koreans there are in Makati, not many Koreans, in fact, maybe none at all.
So, where are the Koreans? About a kilometer down from this place there is a red light district known as P. Burgos st. Across from it main entrance there is a Korean owned PC Bang called Station 181 or 186, I don't know. Anyways, walk in there and you'll find Koreans guys and girls from teens to you adults to adults playing Warcraft and Kart Rider. Cool? Superstars? Korean Wave? Love the Hallyu? I don't think so. And if you don't believe me, check it out for yourself. |
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traxxe
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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Well, I hate to say it. I don't like most Koreans. In this country I have many friends but only one Korean friend. He and I hang out from time to time and that's the only Korean I know. The two Korean women that asked me out I was not interested in after they immediately started asking for my blood type, grades, etc. It seemed more like business transactions and marriage prospecting then a date. Maybe that's because I'm nearing the magical age of 30 and so were they.
I have about five friends from the Phils, four Africans and two Russians. About ten to twelve Westerners and 1 Korean.
I sort of feel guilty though because I have turned into a bit of a racist against Koreans. I'm willing to give anyone a chance but I am hesitant to do so. That said I would not ever look down upon them or demean them. I would just encourage them to start looking beyond the reflection of their own compacts and hope they find some sort of Civil Rights movement.
Heck, if you are disabled, fat, and/or unnatractive physically and Korean it must be a nightmare to live amongst your own people. That's just sad.
Money is good though, some cultural things are cool, especially the use of meat scissors.
I like the Philippines and Japan quite a bit more. I will give it another year or two before moving elsewhere though. |
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in_seoul_2003
Joined: 24 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| When I go to the Phils, I tell them I'm from the U.S., and then when they get more inquisitive, I tell them I was born in Korea. Guess what? I got NO BAD SERVICE whatsoever. At a nightclub in Cebu, I picked up this Filipina who specifically looked for Korean guys. She told me all of these Korean songs she liked (and which I'd never heard of, I'm not a fan of K-pop) and several movies she had seen. |
Wouldn't Cebu be like to going to the Japanese or Arab or Indian areas in Bangkok and finding there women who speak highly of Japanese, Arabs and Indians?
From my understanding of Cebu, it has become so inundated with Koreans that it's kind of people's jobs to be informed of everything Korean.
Back in Manila, I've heard nothing but horror stories about Koreans. I've been to the Philippines, maybe, ten times. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| in_seoul_2003 wrote: |
| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| Yaya wrote: |
| When I go to the Phils, I tell them I'm from the U.S., and then when they get more inquisitive, I tell them I was born in Korea. Guess what? I got NO BAD SERVICE whatsoever. At a nightclub in Cebu, I picked up this Filipina who specifically looked for Korean guys. She told me all of these Korean songs she liked (and which I'd never heard of, I'm not a fan of K-pop) and several movies she had seen. |
I'm gonna follow this strain of the thread.
I've also been to the Philippines and told Filipinas that I'm am American living in South Korea. Guess what they are interested in. They ask me which Korean celebrities I've seen, is Korea really like it looks in the dramas, how do I say 'hello' in Korean, etc.
I have no doubt that people directly dealing with Koreans in the tourism and ESL industries have their frustrations. But young Filipinos on the whole, do seem to have a lot of interest in Korean film, K-pop, Korean popular culture, etc. |
Unlike some of the personal stories that posters can relate allow me to be the first to give hard empirical evidence that Koreans are not superstars in the Phils.
Anyone who's ever been to Makati knows the hottest spot. It's got the best bars, cafes, restaurants and live music venue. On any given Friday, Saturday, and Sunday it's throbbing with people of all nationalities: Colombians, Japanese, Arabs, Americans, Australians, etc, etc, and of course, Filipinos. But given how many Koreans there are in Makati, not many Koreans, in fact, maybe none at all.
So, where are the Koreans? About a kilometer down from this place there is a red light district known as P. Burgos st. Across from it main entrance there is a Korean owned PC Bang called Station 181 or 186, I don't know. Anyways, walk in there and you'll find Koreans guys and girls from teens to you adults to adults playing Warcraft and Kart Rider. Cool? Superstars? Korean Wave? Love the Hallyu? I don't think so. And if you don't believe me, check it out for yourself. |
I'm sure you are correct in the Manhattan of the Philippines. In Makati's wealthiest and richest club scene, Koreans wouldn't even a remote novelty, let alone find people who have an interest in them.
There is a strong divisional line (told by all Filipinos) about the differences between Manila and the provinces. While wide-awake and alert Manila with all its trends, fads, quick-to-make a buck, not very innocent Manila can see pretty much through everything and manipulate whatever it is...you still have the 'rest of the country'. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I never said Koreans are "superstars," just that not every Filipino hates them. Yes, quite a few of them do, but if it was really bad, Koreans wouldn't be pouring into the Phils like they are now. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
| komerican wrote: |
| rocklee wrote: |
| If Japan still occupied Korea would it have been a better place? |
Here's a better question, if the American Rebels had never declared independence would North America and the world be a better place? |
Absolutely! America would be more like Canada. Well perhaps. |
Yeah, high taxes, people just slummin' on welfare, a brain drain as the best and the brightest would leave to better and less taxed shores, a healthcare system that is great until you need it... |
Yeah but you wouldn't have to worry about going into debt after breaking your leg or having a heart attack.
You also can marry if you are a homosexual and not have to worry as much in regards to religion encroaching in to politics.
You'd feel a lot safer as less people own firearms and far less drug addicts.
Race relations would be much calmer and a greater apppreciation for one human rights would be observed by society and the government.
There would be a lot less pollution.
And finally, the majority of the rest of the world wouldn't hate your leaders.
Canada > USA |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:37 am Post subject: Hawaii wants more South Korean tourists |
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You can't blame koreans for screwing up things in The P.I.
You can only blame the Filipinos for allowing it to happen in THEIR country.
Filipinos allow it to happen. Why? And why let it continue? The P.I. people need to get their act together and make all foreigners get with the program after all. Can't blame the government either....they are elected by us after all. |
So what will happen when The Great State of Hawaii lays out the red carpet for them...?
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Hawaii wants more South Korean tourists
Visa waiver program �will dramatically increase the number of visitors�
Updated: 11:25 a.m. ET Aug. 20, 2007
HONOLULU - Hawaii tourism promoters hope a planned visa waiver program will bring more South Korean travelers to the islands.
U.S. Rep. Maize Hirono, a Democrat from Hawaii, said the possible influx of South Korean visitors could resemble the rise in Japanese tourists witnessed after the U.S. eased visa restrictions on visitors from Japan. |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20358424/ |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Hawaii wants more South Korean tourists |
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Hellofaniceguy:
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You can't blame koreans for screwing up things in The P.I.
You can only blame the Filipinos for allowing it to happen in THEIR country.
Filipinos allow it to happen. Why? And why let it continue? The P.I. people need to get their act together and make all foreigners get with the program after all. Can't blame the government either....they are elected by us after all. |
So what will happen when The Great State of Hawaii lays out the red carpet for them...?
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Hawaii wants more South Korean tourists
Visa waiver program �will dramatically increase the number of visitors�
Updated: 11:25 a.m. ET Aug. 20, 2007
HONOLULU - Hawaii tourism promoters hope a planned visa waiver program will bring more South Korean travelers to the islands.
U.S. Rep. Maize Hirono, a Democrat from Hawaii, said the possible influx of South Korean visitors could resemble the rise in Japanese tourists witnessed after the U.S. eased visa restrictions on visitors from Japan. |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20358424/ |
I think you'd end up seeing a heck of a lot more Korean restaurants...everywhere. Filled with...Koreans. You'd also see huge tour groups of visor-headed ajumas walking around in herds. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
| Yaya wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
| komerican wrote: |
| rocklee wrote: |
| If Japan still occupied Korea would it have been a better place? |
Here's a better question, if the American Rebels had never declared independence would North America and the world be a better place? |
Absolutely! America would be more like Canada. Well perhaps. |
Yeah, high taxes, people just slummin' on welfare, a brain drain as the best and the brightest would leave to better and less taxed shores, a healthcare system that is great until you need it... |
Yeah but you wouldn't have to worry about going into debt after breaking your leg or having a heart attack.
You also can marry if you are a homosexual and not have to worry as much in regards to religion encroaching in to politics.
You'd feel a lot safer as less people own firearms and far less drug addicts.
Race relations would be much calmer and a greater apppreciation for one human rights would be observed by society and the government.
There would be a lot less pollution.
And finally, the majority of the rest of the world wouldn't hate your leaders.
Canada > USA |
If you like your pathetic excuse for a country, fine. But the brain drain suggests otherwise.
Classic Canuck line: I think Canada is the best country to live in, only I'd never live there. |
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