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[thepeel]

I love this woman..

[Pluto]

This is another one sided account but its still an interesting slideshow.

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/know-about-jihad/

[riverboy]

The only problem I have is the fact that both sides are brainwashed. I really believe that it is in the best interests of certain groups to have radical Islamism. The American government supports the Saudi Regime which in turn has spurned the most radical terrorists.

They did the same with the Taliban in Afghanistan until it was not helping their interests in it. Then a media campaign began years before the invasion, which demonised them(easy to do).

Let's not forget Iran which had a democratically elected prime minister ousted and the Ayatollah proped up there. All of this 20th century Middle East quagmire was created by British and American Imperial and Oil interests.

This is not an attempt to bash America. Only certain elements. If American were to go back to it's non interventionest role, I think the world would be a better place.

[thepeel]

So, in your world, the two "sides" are

1) islam
2) republicans

? That is quite the world you got there.

[keane]

[thepeel]

He said the "two sides", which is interesting because muslims have been killing kuffar for as long as there has been muslims while "neo-cons" are a relatively recent addition to the world of intellectual pollution.

I'd like everybody who thinks of this topic to know that muslim on infidel violence precedes any recent so-called "causes" by about 1400 years.

In reality, the two side of this conflict are

1) muslims
2) non-muslims

Within those sides there are an almost limitless number of groups. But that is the conflict as it is. It is built into the muslim faith.

[riverboy]

[thepeel]

Maybe Rushdie too, then.

[riverboy]

I did say the problems of the 20th century. And let's not forget that religous violence was not invented by the Muslims. In fact, the Christians were quite doing well in Palestine up untill the mid twentieth century. Christians got into the killing for God with Constantine in 316AD

[thepeel]

[riverboy]

But the way I see it is all sides have some blame. The occupation of Palestine, is Jew and Fundamentalist Christian against Muslim.

Ron Paul talks about blowback from Muslim nations and I tend to agree.

As far as the Nuclear analogy. I don't recall any Muslim nations ever using nuclear weapons up to this point. I am sure there are lots of terrorists who want them though.

You are right about the two wrongs not making a right, but the thing is the Americans and British and French and everyone else have to get the hell out of the Middle East befor things straighten out or there will always be terrorism from Islam.

[thepeel]

I also agree with Ron Paul, but our friend Gopher is not so fond of the blowback idea. To me, it seems elementary. You punch me and I'll punch you.

But. When Churchill toured parts of what is now Israel before the Jews had moved in he was taken aback at all the "death to the Jews" comments he was hearing. About 30% of the Koran is directly commanding violence or preaching extreme hate. 30%. This can't be ignored. Non-intervention is just one of many changes we need. The mass-deportation of muslims from Western lands is another.

Islam has expanded, is expanding and will expand in the future. How we deal with and resist this expansion is the ultimate question of the next 100 years. Do we continue to progress or do we return to religiosity under the guise of democratic determinism and tolerance.

[Adventurer]

I think you can substitute "All Muslims should be watched" with "All Jews should be watched". It is promoting bigotry and you are using this woman to do that. Why should every single Muslim in America be watched. That is ridiculous. One of my best friends is a Syrian Muslim. He definitely is not a fanatic. He prays on holidays and that's about it and sports a Greek surname. Syrians are often very secular, but they are not as unbalanced as this woman. I knew a Syrian fellow who looked like he could have been from Sweden. He was a socialist type that disliked religion, but he probably would have vehemently disagreed that all his moderate Muslim buddies should be watched. It seems kind of fascist. Also, Wafa Sultan in an interview in Arabic on Al Jazeera (they put her on the air) made it as if the Jews were the paradigm of civilization while Muslims are behind evil. It ignores what Jews in Israel have done in Lebanon, Palestine etc... There is a threat of fanatacism in the world, but it comes from Muslims, Jews in Israel and America, and Christian Zionists. All three are causing us problems.

[thepeel]

All observant muslims absolutely must be watched. And every single mosque in the Western world (and elsewhere, if people know what is good for them) needs to be electronically monitored.

Wafa says it like it is. She speaks truth to religious power. To say that she is "unbalanced" is just a tad naive and deeply cynical, especially when your only addition to discussions such as this is the parroting of "diversity in islam" over and over and over again. She grew up in a muslim nation, managed to escape the philosophical pollution that is islam and speaks against it. For that, she has gangs of muslims who are trying to kill her. And still, she just speaks louder. All this, while people like you, adventurer, fuss over who can repeat the "diversity in islam" mantra the most times without ever dealing with the real subject matter at hand.

Bush will be gone in 2008. The evangelicals will return to arguing over abortion and preventing gay marriage. The next president will be a Democrat.

And the most common name for a newborn in the UK is mohammad.

This is a paradigm change is historical proportions, and platitudes about "diversity" aren't going to help anybody at all.

[riverboy]

The fact is, if you come into my house and punch me, I will do my best to kill you. Punch me on the street and I'll use enough force to stop you. Threaten my family, then you better be one tough sonuvagun because I will die trying. Literally.

Why the hell did Churchill have the right to tour Palestine and create a Jewish state? And if he saw the hatred of Jews there to begin with, how much of an idiot could he have been to have been a part of the creation of Israel?

I see the problem in fundamentalism. I am a practicing Christian, but I in no way implore the racist hardline tactics you do BJWD. I actually have a deep respect for all religon. There are extremist Muslims who preach violence and I believe that this group should be focused on. Just as I believe Christians who preach vilonce should be discouraged. Why in American, which is populated by immigrants, or their offspring, should they not be allowed to come to The U.S. Canada, or any other country?

You take your hatred of religon to the same level as the extremists which make you the same; Clouded by a false sense of faith in what you believe is the only way. Let's not forget that Hitler started by deporting the Jews. It wasn't until all of the Western countries sent them back, that he started to excecute them. So, what did the west do? We sent them to Palestine. Not a very wise move in my opinion.