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inseoul
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
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 Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: missed detail |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
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I worked for 5+years as a doorman in some of the top clubs in Calgary. In no way do I consider myself an expert (ok, so are we thinking that "Roadhouse" is an example of an expert?), but I do have my share of experience in the field.
My opinion and post was based on that experience.
If you've worked the door for longer, or have somehow experienced more than me in the industry, by all means, share your wisdom.
The truth is, if anyone sounds like they are on a highhorse on this thread, it'd be you. Maybe you might want to take one stp off it cowboy before you continue pointing fingers. |
No, there is no highhorse here.
But, I will say.........
1. A good bartender would not throw out someones drink.....TWICE.
2. A good bartender would try to resolve the issue, rather than ignore
the customer....which makes things worse.
3. A door man would have the sense to just throw the guy out, and be
done with it.
4. A good bartender would not have made the drinks in the first place.
Yeah, the guy phucked up.......no doubt. But, many folks here take pleasure in flaming the dude. Yeah, the guy probably should have just gone home, BEFORE he even set foot in the bar. But, he did'nt. How many times have you, or anyone else on this forum staggered into a bar in the wee hours of the morning?
Look, I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone here. However, there is a reason why some posters on some of the other forums make fun of those posting here. Granted, it could be the same all around. Granted, I post here as well.
But, some of you people really rip into others when it is not called for. What if the guy had a bad night before he walked in the bar....something he did not share with us (Oh Lord, I'm sounding like a liberal). You don't know the entire situation. But, the situation as is is pretty phucked up.
So......are we done? Or will this continue?
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Let's continue...
I have read the majority of comments on this thread and very few of them are saying that the bar staff are in the right. In fact, I'd hazard to say that most of the posts are saying that BOTH were in the wrong.
Have you ever worked in a club? I'll let you in on a little secret, the next-day ramblings of a person who got their butt handed to them are usually not the best source for accurate information. Chances are, if he posted that he messed up a little, then he probably messed up a lot.
But hey, neither of us were there right? But I can't say how many times I was approached the next night by people saying "why'd you beat up my bother??", " He only did...." and somehow major chunks of their story were left out. /shrug
You ask how many times I've staggered out of a bar... I can count them on one hand. A better question might be how many times have I spat on a bartender (?!?!), I'll say never to that one.
People are "flaiming" the guy because
1) he is supposidly trying to warn people about racism at a bar - and his post in no way proves it
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2) he claimed this to be a copy/paste job from another forum - but has yet to back that up.
So yeah, for you to come here and mock people for claiming to be experts (sorry, did I miss the post where someone actually claimed that?) is weak and innacurate. People were simply giving their opinions on a familiar subject.
dmbfan, you're quickly looking bad on this thread and you don't need to be. Just chill with the wide sweeping coments about posters here and you mightmake more sense. I' not trying to fight with ya either, but in your "comin to the defense" of this guy, you're attacking others. Is that really what you're hoping for? |
you obviously did not read well.
the guys stated it happened last saturday (as in a week before his posting), so these were not next day ramblings. i would suggest he took his time and thought about it for a week before writing/posting. hole in your theory. |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: smart guy |
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where do these losers come from who think that *beep* is normal or expected? do they just post it to make themselves sound like tuff guys? i an imagine short little kyopos with baseball hats on sideways posting replies and saying "yeah man...weapons are cool" bcos they play too many computer games, watch too many hip hop videos and *beep* Hollywood movies.
out of touch with reality.
anyone who thinks that stuff is reality is jail bait, mentally disturbed, or both. |
i guess foreigners like you want to spit on women with no repurcussions whatsoever.
making a foreigner apologize to a korean woman for spitting on her is of course, horrible according to you.
u are pretty misogynistic as well as racist. lets hope you leave korea soon. |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: smart guy |
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1) bartenders do your job
2) who hasnt done something stupid on the pisss?
3) bartenders, get the manager or security guard, dont provoke further
4) security, throw him out, maybe a rib shot or two if you feel it necessary
5) taking him around the corner, in public place, outside premises, old against will, rough up, physical abuse, take photos, hreaten with weapons......absolutely wrong.
to the fools who posted that they would expect the same in their country....what a bunch of losers. certainly in aussie and nz- bouncers are mostly licensed and professional...they would lose their license, their job, be told to fk off by the manager of the place, word would spread around the town/city.....absolutely wouldnt happen...not twice anyway...but if nothing done about this here, it will happen again, at that club anyway.
where do these losers come from who think that *beep* is normal or expected? do they just post it to make themselves sound like tuff guys? i an imagine short little kyopos with baseball hats on sideways posting replies and saying "yeah man...weapons are cool" bcos they play too many computer games, watch too many hip hop videos and *beep* Hollywood movies.
out of touch with reality.
anyone who thinks that stuff is reality is jail bait, mentally disturbed, or both. |
You haven't worked in a bar, have you. If you came into the club i worked at during my Uni days, and spat on one of my staff, and then threw alcohol on them, you better believe I and my coworkers would have taken you outside and bent you over.
But this isn't back home, is it. It's a foreign country with a different set of ground rules. And, where in the story did this guy really get much of a beating. They wanted to scare him. He apologized and they left him.
I've seen Koreans get dealt with much worse for similar reasons, so take your weak racism rant elsewhere.
Just because a bartender isn't doing their job, is no reason to act like you just got off the short bus.
Christ, a few months ago, i watched the staff of a club throw a KOREAN guy into an alley and form a ring around him while they took turns kicking him from head to toe. I swear he lost his jaw.
Racism? Get in touch, dude.
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inseoul
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: captain korea |
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I was a doorman in Calgary for 5 years. This could of easily of happened there as well.
They should not have held ya and beat you in that alley - they were wrong in that.
But in my world, you spit on a bartender, chances are you're going to be thumped.
You just got thumped Korean Style. (I take it you've never seen the gangster movies??)
Either way man, I hope you heal up nicely. |
thumped korean style?
watched the movies?
captain...is it possible you watch too many movies?
this could have happened in Calgary? I need to check a map, but isnt Calgary a fairly large City in Canada?
Security guards sometimes use weapons and kidnap people in Calgary?
Could you possibly try to dig up any record of when security guards at a POPULAR WELL KNOWN nightclub in Calgary or any other City in Canada kidnapped a patron and used weapons to threaten and physically abuse him?
If you can find such stories, might you then ask why they are published online or in newspapers?
Sorry captain but I think you live in your own little fantasy world mate. Made more obvious by your picture and "heroic" style posts.
God knows where your head is at mate.
In regards "healing up nicely"....if you read the post properly before you posted, you would note the guy did not sufer much in the way of injuries. That was perhaps your imagination again.
PS: do you wear that suit to your kindergarton jobs?
PPS: i worked as doorman in my home town while going through uni and even recently when i went back for a few months....nothing like that is allowed to happen. if it did, the bar would be in serious shite. and the security guards disbanded. security industry is well controlled bcos it needs to be. as should the guys at M2 |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: smart guy |
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| just another day wrote: |
| inseoul wrote: |
where do these losers come from who think that *beep* is normal or expected? do they just post it to make themselves sound like tuff guys? i an imagine short little kyopos with baseball hats on sideways posting replies and saying "yeah man...weapons are cool" bcos they play too many computer games, watch too many hip hop videos and *beep* Hollywood movies.
out of touch with reality.
anyone who thinks that stuff is reality is jail bait, mentally disturbed, or both. |
i guess foreigners like you want to spit on women with no repurcussions whatsoever. |
Change 'foreigners' to 'people' and we're in agreement:
http://star.dreamwiz.com/BIN/dreambbs.cgi?c=v&n=27793&f=n1_gcafe&pos=27793&bso=1&bor=2 |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: captain korea |
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| inseoul wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
I was a doorman in Calgary for 5 years. This could of easily of happened there as well.
They should not have held ya and beat you in that alley - they were wrong in that.
But in my world, you spit on a bartender, chances are you're going to be thumped.
You just got thumped Korean Style. (I take it you've never seen the gangster movies??)
Either way man, I hope you heal up nicely. |
thumped korean style?
watched the movies?
captain...is it possible you watch too many movies?
this could have happened in Calgary? I need to check a map, but isnt Calgary a fairly large City in Canada?
Security guards sometimes use weapons and kidnap people in Calgary?
Could you possibly try to dig up any record of when security guards at a POPULAR WELL KNOWN nightclub in Calgary or any other City in Canada kidnapped a patron and used weapons to threaten and physically abuse him?
If you can find such stories, might you then ask why they are published online or in newspapers?
Sorry captain but I think you live in your own little fantasy world mate. Made more obvious by your picture and "heroic" style posts.
God knows where your head is at mate.
In regards "healing up nicely"....if you read the post properly before you posted, you would note the guy did not sufer much in the way of injuries. That was perhaps your imagination again.
PS: do you wear that suit to your kindergarton jobs?
PPS: i worked as doorman in my home town while going through uni and even recently when i went back for a few months....nothing like that is allowed to happen. if it did, the bar would be in serious *beep*. and the security guards disbanded. security industry is well controlled bcos it needs to be. as should the guys at M2 |
the same would happen to a korean in korea. are u demanding special treatment in korea for the priveledge of spitting on a woman? u disgusting misogynistic maggot. |
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soy
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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too long didn't read.
looks like some jackass got what he had coming to him. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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too long didn't read.
looks like some jackass got what he had coming to him. |
I liked his writing. The bit about the bartenders dumping his drink was jaw dropping. His mistake was physically attacking them. That's when I kind of had to abandon my sympathies. The bit about him deciding bowing before a pair of long legs in a miniskirt made me think slightly better of him. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: smart guy |
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| inseoul wrote: |
| to the fools who posted that they would expect the same in their country....what a bunch of losers. certainly in aussie and nz- bouncers are mostly licensed and professional...they would lose their license, their job, be told to fk off by the manager of the place, word would spread around the town/city.....absolutely wouldnt happen...not twice anyway...but if nothing done about this here, it will happen again, at that club anyway. |
Sorry mate, but you're way off.
Three incidents, two of which I witnessed, off the top of my head, from the same fairly well off suburb of Sydney, a city which is soft compared to the rest of the country, which in turn is soft compared to NZ.
1) My friend is on the dance floor with a beer. Security tells him "No beers on the dancefloor." My friend sculls his beer on the spot. Six bouncers drag him out the back and kick the shit out of him. His face is black and purple and he gets a fractured cheekbone. Nothing happens to the bouncers, who continue working there.
2) Two brothers I used to play pool with are drinking in a beer garden before closing time. They buy some frsh beers. A bouncer tells them they have to leave. The answer is "fuck off". The brothers are taken into an alley and have their heads stomped on, literally. Both brothers get fractured skulls, one loses sight in one eye. One bouncer flies home to Tonga or Samoa, the rest are acquitted.
3) A friend of mine stubs his cigarette out in a empty glass while waiting for service at a bar. The barmaid refuses him service. My friend objects. Security throw him down the stairs, out the door, and start putting the boot in. Bouncers from a pub across the street run over to join in. No consequences this time either.
I could go on for hours - every weekend all across Australia the saem thing is repeated a thousand times.
Give me Korean bouncers anyday. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: captain korea |
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| inseoul wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
I was a doorman in Calgary for 5 years. This could of easily of happened there as well.
They should not have held ya and beat you in that alley - they were wrong in that.
But in my world, you spit on a bartender, chances are you're going to be thumped.
You just got thumped Korean Style. (I take it you've never seen the gangster movies??)
Either way man, I hope you heal up nicely. |
thumped korean style?
watched the movies?
captain...is it possible you watch too many movies? |
Possible, but what does that have to do with the matter at hand? If you're not familiar with the word "thump" how about "stomp"? Does that help ya?
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this could have happened in Calgary? I need to check a map, but isnt Calgary a fairly large City in Canada?
Security guards sometimes use weapons and kidnap people in Calgary?
Could you possibly try to dig up any record of when security guards at a POPULAR WELL KNOWN nightclub in Calgary or any other City in Canada kidnapped a patron and used weapons to threaten and physically abuse him?
If you can find such stories, might you then ask why they are published online or in newspapers? |
A similar situation happened in the Palace nightclub years back when doormen got in a confrontation with off-duty CPS. There were accusations by the CPS that their off duty officers were held near the kitchen and beaten with pots and pans (and had hot oil poured on them).
Anyone from Calgary and in the Industry would know... but you are neither so I expect you won't understand.
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Sorry captain but I think you live in your own little fantasy world mate. Made more obvious by your picture and "heroic" style posts.
God knows where your head is at mate. |
And this personal dig gives you what type of satisfaction? If you ever want to meet me in reality, just shoot me a PM.
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| In regards "healing up nicely"....if you read the post properly before you posted, you would note the guy did not sufer much in the way of injuries. That was perhaps your imagination again. |
You have still to link to the "original" post.
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| PS: do you wear that suit to your kindergarton jobs? |
Again with a (attempted) personal dig. Chances are mate, I'm far more successful in Korea than you. But hey, like I said, shoot me that PM and you might find out.
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| PPS: i worked as doorman in my home town while going through uni and even recently when i went back for a few months....nothing like that is allowed to happen. if it did, the bar would be in serious *beep*. and the security guards disbanded. security industry is well controlled bcos it needs to be. as should the guys at M2 |
I call BS on this as well. I doubt that you've ever worked in the industry.
Actually, this whole post is reeking of BS. You have yet to show us where this was supposidly originally posted.
And after everyone has bashed the OP, you come to his defense... you sure it wasn't you that wrote it? |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like one side of a very two sided story here folks.
Skew the poll! |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like one side of a very two sided story here folks.
Skew the poll! |
I'd prefer to see a poll with questions like:
Did this really happen?
Is the OP just here trolling?
Would you have spit on the bartenders?
Would you call the police and persue it? |
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pest2
Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I just think its cool you can actually start a poll so long after the thread has been created... it means you can search out an answer to a question the dialectic has created rather than one you created. |
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| True story or not, I believe the lesson to be learned is if they were kind enough to pour you a second drink because they were caught taking the first one they abandoned, learn and take it with you next time. |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| I think the OP is the main character of this story. I'd like to know what forum he got this from. |
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