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mack the knife



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:54 pm    Post subject: You gotta love the Italians Reply with quote

Italian footballer Materazzi admits in his yet-to-be-released autobiography that the famous quip he made to Zidane during the World Cup final that caused the latter to end his stellar career with an inglorious head-butt was something along the lines of "I prefer your whoore sister."

If you've ever played any kind of sport you know that trash talk is simply part of the game. However, such jibes typically poke fun at the other guy's skills (or lack of them). Can you imagine what would happen in the NBA or NFL if the players started taking pot shots at each other's families? It would be a bloodbath. Just look at the brawls they get into when fans simply harass them.

Most likely anyone would have reacted, instinctively, in the same manner as Zidane. The sad ending to this story is how one great player capped off a fantastic career with defeat and shame while another, more villainous one, walked off the field with the trophy, all smiles.
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plato's republic



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Materazzi had the tournament of his life at last year's World Cup. Two goals and a converted penalty in the shoot-out, not forgetting the red card he picked up against the aussies. I'm not defending what he said but if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Zidane had a history of being sent off for stamping and lashing out at opponents.
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just another day



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zidane is dope.
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waltjocketty



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:33 pm    Post subject: Re: You gotta love the Italians Reply with quote

mack the knife wrote:
Can you imagine what would happen in the NBA or NFL if the players started taking pot shots at each other's families? It would be a bloodbath. Just look at the brawls they get into when fans simply harass them.


John Randle is actually notorious for doing research on his opponents' families and then using it for trash talk during the game. And he used to bark at people. That kind of trash talk is standard procedure in the NFL.
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just another day



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think its okay to hit your opponent if he talks about your sister or mom.
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mack the knife



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That kind of trash talk is standard procedure in the NFL.


Yeah, but there's something just plain nasty about coming right out and saying, verbatim, "Your sister is a *beep*". I'm guessing an NFL or NBA watered down version might go something like this:

Player 1: "I'm gon' tear yo' ass up, b*tch!"

Player 2: "Thass wud I done tol' yo' sistuh lass nite, muthafukka!"

The difference is subtle, but...
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mikowee



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The insult was fairly mild, imo. The kind of stuff you'd hear anywhere in competitive sports. But bloodbaths? Are you kidding? When these guys make it to the top of their sport, they've already dealt with a lot of *beep* and ppl trying to get under their skin along the way. They wouldn't be where they are if they couldn't handle it.

I wouldn't advise saying it to them on the streets, but in a pro sports environment in front of cameras, fans, and teammates, they can't afford to lash out selfishly. Some players are more susceptible to taunts, and sometimes players just have a moment of weakness, but in the majority of situations, a comment like that wouldn't spark anything physical.
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smogdonkey



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mack the knife wrote:
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That kind of trash talk is standard procedure in the NFL.


Yeah, but there's something just plain nasty about coming right out and saying, verbatim, "Your sister is a *beep*". I'm guessing an NFL or NBA watered down version might go something like this:

Player 1: "I'm gon' tear yo' ass up, b*tch!"

Player 2: "Thass wud I done tol' yo' sistuh lass nite, muthafukka!"

The difference is subtle, but...


There is no discernible difference, other than your racist undertones. What he did was incredibly stupid. He had a great career, he made a stupid mistake. Forgivable? Ask French fans, I could care less. Watered down? If anything, the lack of a language barrier in the NFL and NBA make trash talk even more effective and cutting.

Has anyone ever heard a Yankees fan spew venom?

My question, if you've just got to up and hit someone, what gives you the urge to do it with your head?? I could never figure that out. Is the penalty less severe? If he were that clear-headed at the time, he never would have done it, so that can't be it...
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mack the knife



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is no discernible difference, other than your racist undertones


Whuh? You assume I was referring to who, blacks? Oops. Who's the racist, biatch?

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Has anyone ever heard a Yankees fan spew venom?


And when it's nasty enough the players lash out against the fans.

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But bloodbaths? Are you kidding? When these guys make it to the top of their sport, they've already dealt with a lot of *beep* and ppl trying to get under their skin along the way. They wouldn't be where they are if they couldn't handle it.


Apparently you haven't watched the last two seasons of the NBA.
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mikowee



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