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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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 Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:32 am Post subject: AFN: Army guys bragging about sexual assault plans? |
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| AFN has a new PSA urging soldiers to turn in their buddies who brag about having "sexual assault plans". Has the bar been so lowered this is becoming endemic? I mean WTF. |
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wo buxihuan hanguoren
Joined: 18 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:34 am Post subject: |
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Just sounds like more anal puritan American yarn to me.
What is a sexual assault plan in any case, and how do I sign up for one? |
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indytrucks
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| Dang, I miss the AFN PSAs. The Anthrax Ninja was the shizzle. |
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purple_buddha
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Taken from a San Fransisco Chronicle article written in October 2006:
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...In 2004, the Pentagon published a "Moral Waiver Study," whose seemingly benign goal was "to better define relationships between pre-Service behaviors and subsequent Service success." That turned out to mean opening more recruitment doors to potential enlistees with criminal records.
In February, the Baltimore Sun wrote that there was "a significant increase in the number of recruits with what the Army terms 'serious criminal misconduct' in their background" -- a category that included "aggravated assault, robbery, vehicular manslaughter, receiving stolen property and making terrorist threats." From 2004 to 2005, the number of those recruits rose by more than 54 percent, while alcohol and illegal drug waivers, reversing a four-year decline, increased by more than 13 percent.
In June, the Chicago Sun-Times reported that, under pressure to fill the ranks, the Army had been allowing into its ranks increasing numbers of "recruits convicted of misdemeanor crimes, according to experts and military records." In fact, as the military's own data indicated, "the percentage of recruits entering the Army with waivers for misdemeanors and medical problems has more than doubled since 2001."
One beneficiary of the Army's new moral-waiver policies gained a certain prominence this summer. After Steven Green, who served in the 101st Airborne Division, was charged in a rape and quadruple murder in Mahmudiyah, Iraq, it was disclosed that he had been "a high-school dropout from a broken home who enlisted to get some direction in his life, yet was sent home early because of an anti-social personality disorder."
Recently, Eli Flyer, a former Pentagon senior military analyst and specialist on the relationship between military recruiting and military misconduct, told Harper's magazine that Green had "enlisted with a moral waiver for at least two drug- or alcohol-related offenses. He committed a third alcohol-related offense just before enlistment, which led to jail time, although this offense may not have been known to the Army when he enlisted."
With Green in jail awaiting trial, the Houston Chronicle reported in August that Army recruiters were trolling around the outskirts of a Dallas-area job fair for ex-convicts.
"We're looking for high school graduates with no more than one felony on their record," one recruiter said. ... |
Here's the full article http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/10/01/ING42LCIGK1.DTL
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have "forced" the military to recruit the dregs of society. "So, you raped a couple of chicks back in high school. Don't worry about it, son. That *beep*'s practically legal in Iraq. Just sign on the dotted line! Oorah!" |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:02 am Post subject: Re: AFN: Army guys bragging about sexual assault plans? |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| AFN has a new PSA urging soldiers to turn in their buddies who brag about having "sexual assault plans". Has the bar been so lowered this is becoming endemic? I mean WTF. |
There is planning involved in that? Better yet, military strategic planning?  |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Not to knock GIs. It's a bit like how in the '70s we had school house rock. Our PSA were about grammar and government. Now kids PSAs are about saying no to drugs and not bringing guns to school. I imagine Army films used to be about bringing chocolate to your foreign hosts and putting powder on your feet. Now it's about "don't rape". |
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PeterDragon
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Let's see--- high-profile rape in Hongdae, high-profile rape in Gagnam.... Two rapes is two too many.
I've heard some soldiers argue that it's not fair that a disproportionate amount of focus is placed on soldiers who rape, when other populations rape too.
I disagree. Violence from an armed, trained fighter who belongs to a security force that is immune to local prosecution is MUCH more worrisome than violence from an out-of-shape Samsung desk jockey.
In fact, anyone whose main job ojective is providing "safety", "protection" and "stability" should be held to higher standards and observed under a more powerful microscope.
Having said that, the AFN PSAs actually make the military look worse, not better. Maybe they care more about promoting safety than promoting their reputation? |
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Jizzo T. Clown
Joined: 27 Mar 2006
Location: at my wit's end
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe if the military had some sort of standards for joining things would be different. Mark my words, in the future convicted criminals will be required to serve in the military rather than going to jail unless the draft is reinstated.
What happened to the times when serving in the armed forces was a privilege, not a way out? Oh yeah, those times ended with the Spartans... |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| PeterDragon wrote: |
I disagree. Violence from an armed, trained fighter who belongs to a security force that is immune to local prosecution is MUCH more worrisome than violence from an out-of-shape Samsung desk jockey.
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the USFK imposes harsher penalties on crimes than the Korean court does, and when it comes to rape, I know first hand that the Korean cops don't even investigate, at least they don't if nothing's taken and no blood is shed. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Jizzo T. Clown wrote: |
Maybe if the military had some sort of standards for joining things would be different. Mark my words, in the future convicted criminals will be required to serve in the military rather than going to jail unless the draft is reinstated.
What happened to the times when serving in the armed forces was a privilege, not a way out? Oh yeah, those times ended with the Spartans... |
I couldn't agree more. As a veteran, I was an enlisted soldier over a decade ago and in Korea now I've talked with a few current soldiers and the lack of descipline, organization and respect for unit and leaders is startling. Even the standards and conduct of officers is in decline from what I've seen and people I talked to.
The pay increases and the types of people allowed to enlist is declining. (Know of any MPs with criminal records?)
The similarities between the U.S. Army and the Roman Legions just prior to Rome's decline and fall is amazing. Legions were over-payed, enlisted "barbarians", and all manner of respect for commanders and emporers had fallen through.
Now, I'm not one given to paranoia and conspiracies and I love my native land and proud to've given 5 years of my life in service to it, but the current and future state of military, domestic and political affairs saddens me and I fear for it. That's all I've got to say about that.
On a side note: Civilian police officers are now more like military units than "Keepers of the Peace".
And the fact that the President has a weapon like this: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0dd_1187202294 in tow is scary. A weapon like that is used to mow down mobs. The only mops you'll see in America are other Americans.
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| PeterDragon wrote: |
Let's see--- high-profile rape in Hongdae, high-profile rape in Gagnam.... Two rapes is two too many.
I've heard some soldiers argue that it's not fair that a disproportionate amount of focus is placed on soldiers who rape, when other populations rape too.
I disagree. Violence from an armed, trained fighter who belongs to a security force that is immune to local prosecution is MUCH more worrisome than violence from an out-of-shape Samsung desk jockey.
In fact, anyone whose main job ojective is providing "safety", "protection" and "stability" should be held to higher standards and observed under a more powerful microscope.
Having said that, the AFN PSAs actually make the military look worse, not better. Maybe they care more about promoting safety than promoting their reputation? |
In all fairness the rape in Gangnam was an attempted rape by a couple morons who couldn't rape their hands with both hands down their pants. Or was that in Apgujeong and you're talking about something else?
I fully agree with you that soldiers should be held to much stricter standards than civilians, just as police should also. |
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PeterDragon
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="peppermint"]
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the USFK imposes harsher penalties on crimes than the Korean court does, and when it comes to rape, I know first hand that the Korean cops don't even investigate, at least they don't if nothing's taken and no blood is shed. |
Good point. This sort of misconduct is taken very seriously by the USFK. The USFK equivalents in some other countries need to follow that lead--- *cough*IRAQ*cough*.
You'e right about the cops generlly not investigating. And I'm sorry to hear you know "first hand" (I shan't pry further). But I suspect one other circumstance where the cops *might* investigate and the courts might prosecute quite agressively is when the perp is a foreigner and the victim is Korean, especially if the perp were any other race than Caucasian or Asian. I'm guesing that a rapist from say--- Ghana--- could be subject to a good ol' fashioned lynching. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| PeterDragon wrote: |
I've heard some soldiers argue that it's not fair that a disproportionate amount of focus is placed on soldiers who rape, when other populations rape too.
I disagree. Violence from an armed, trained fighter who belongs to a security force that is immune to local prosecution is MUCH more worrisome than violence from an out-of-shape Samsung desk jockey.
In fact, anyone whose main job ojective is providing "safety", "protection" and "stability" should be held to higher standards and observed under a more powerful microscope.
Having said that, the AFN PSAs actually make the military look worse, not better. Maybe they care more about promoting safety than promoting their reputation? |
I agree with you. When you put on a military uniform, you hold up a very high standard. Honor, at the very least. Men and women wearing that uniform have died to protect the safety of others. They didn't put on the uniform to make it easier to gain trust. |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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[quote I disagree. Violence from an armed, trained fighter who belongs to a security force that is immune to local prosecution is MUCH more worrisome than violence from an out-of-shape Samsung desk jockey.
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Immune from local prosecution? Way out of line. No one under SOFA is immune and the locals do prosecute. It's case by case and the circumstances......and at times.......which prosecutor and sentence will bring the most punishment.
There are plenty of "immune from local prosecution" sitting in korean prisons!
We have bad apples all over...can't single out one group based on subjective impressions. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| The only case I heard that was immune from local prosecution was the traffic accident back a few years. |
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