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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| mack4289 wrote: |
| keane wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| That is, why are you and others here so stubbornly resistant when it comes to talking about Hugo Chavez on Hugo Chavez's own merits? |
Who cares about Chavez? How many Venezuelans visit this board? The question is, why do you care about some guy who is running his nation into the ground? And why do you not care about the guy running your nation into the ground?
A far, far better set of questions.
Chavez means next to nothing to the US or our interests. His oil wealth is very dependent on agreements with the US, so he couldn't do anything with it even if he wanted to. So who cares? Let him rattle his oil cans. He's nothing more than Kim Jong Il in Spanish.
But you, friend, will spin anything anyone says into anti-American jingoisitc pap, so who cares what you say?
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Did you read this part of the New Yorker article I posted?
"The U.S. continues to be Venezuela�s most important trading partner. Much of this business is oil: Venezuela is America�s fourth-largest supplier, and the U.S. is Venezuela�s largest customer. But the flow of trade goes both ways and across many sectors. The U.S. is the world�s biggest exporter to Venezuela, responsible for a full third of its imports..... And, even as Ch�vez�s rhetoric has become more extreme, the two countries have become more entwined: trade between the U.S. and Venezuela has risen thirty-six per cent in the past year."
Clearly Venezuela should be a concern to Americans. The world is more interconnected now than ever before. The problems of even the most remote corner of the world could be your problem in the future. |
I'm sure you don't realize it, but I agreed with you. My point is we are too interconnected for Chavez to attempt to do anything substantive. He will rattle his cans, but that is it. He knows he will be Iraqed if he does anything that looks like serious steps to cut off the oil. He should be watched carefully, but that should be sufficient. For now. Should he start tag teaming with the Chinese in any serious way, we could be in trouble . |
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mack4289
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: |
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You're right, I did misread your post. But Chavez, even with the limitations placed on him by Venezuela's reliance on the American market, is still dangerous. Anyone who interferes with the development of a democratic state (not just a state that votes, but one that has checks and balances, and a free as possible media and as much freedom of speech, capital and labor as possible) is at least a little dangerous.
I know it seems impossible to imagine some (probably most) states establishing those freedoms, but it's what we should want the world's leaders to be striving towards. Chavez is working against those freedoms (and yes, I know Bush is in many ways, too). |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| keane wrote: |
| My point is... |
...that the only topic we are allowed to discuss on this board is George W. Bush and the evils of the United States. Right? |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| I have nothing to say. Purposely misrepresenting others is fun! |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| keane wrote: |
| I have nothing to say. Purposely misrepresenting others is fun! |
What does this have to do with George Bush and the evils of the United States? Stay on topic, Sandwich Boy. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| Insulting is my best rhetorical technique. |
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Pligganease
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| keane wrote: |
| Insulting is my best rhetorical technique. |
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