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bejarano-korea

Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:36 am Post subject: Canada or Oz... help me! |
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I'll be 40 with wife and kids pretty soon (in the next 5 years) the time of I wandering the world teaching English and getting my arse handed to me in the prize ring will be a thing of the past.
So I'm after somewhere to settle that isn't England. Unlike most Brits who emigrate somewhere I don't mind immigrants coming to live here, don't mind the concept of the EU and don't mind paying high taxes as long as we get something back as regards health care and pensions.
What I hate though are the home grown lazy chav bastards who are overpopulating the place who breed incessantly whose offspring go on to mug, pillage and harrass you at every turn... if you headbutt them into the floor it is YOU who gets arrested!
Which brings me onto lazy, incompetent policemen and stupid judges.
self serving politicians and nowhere to buy decent machengo cheese!
My sister and her husband have spent a 100 grand (thats pound sterling) on a 2 bedroom house in the arse end of Manchester (clue: Dr Shipman and Myra Hindley's stomping ground) so buying a house here is a no-no
as well as the rewarding of stupidity via the media (Jordan and Jade Goody for example) which is making kids believe that all you need to become famous and rich is not talent but a backside as thick as a rhino's! Country is going to the dogs! I'm outta here and I'm thinking of two places...
Australia
Pros:
1) Nice weather and I can live by the beach
2) Kids can take part in many sporting activities and grow up
to be mentally and physically balanced
3) I can afford a nice house with a garden
Cons:
1) Being nicknamed 'Pommie' at work
2) Having Australians taking the piss out of me because of the cricket (as if I care!)
3) Meeting other brits whinging how the old country has gone to the dogs because of blacks, eastern europeans and political correctness
4) Difficult to get in
Canada
Pros:
1) Easier than Australia to get in
2) Canadians tend to be nice and friendly
3) Canadians seem to respect multi culturalism
4) I can afford a nice house with a garden
Cons:
1) Snow!
2) My son will want me to take him to ice hockey and I won't know what the hell is going on
3) Meeting other brits whinging how the old country has gone to the dogs because of blacks, eastern europeans and political correctness
4) Might become part of the united states of America one day!
Help us make a choice folks! |
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gwhitey09
Joined: 26 Jun 2007 Location: seoul
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:45 am Post subject: |
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stay in England |
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bejarano-korea

Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:54 am Post subject: |
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gwhitey09 wrote: |
stay in England |
I'd rather not.  |
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:12 am Post subject: |
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Two very cool countries and peoples. Hmmmm....tough call.  |
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pest2

Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:08 am Post subject: |
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are you married yet? or is it speculative? marry a woman from the country you like and it becomes easier to get in  |
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demaratus
Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Location: Searching for a heart of gold, and I'm gettin' old
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: |
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I am Canadian and I would say the benefits of Canada are:
- It's a vast nation with an unparalled variety of geography.
- It is a cultural mosiac more than a melting pot.
- The best winter sports destination in the world (if you are into that), with great summers (in western Canada, it is still afforable to own a cabin or cottage at a nice lake, for people of middle class income)
- Proximity to the USA, Europe and the Caribbean.
- Good friendly people, relatively low crime.
The cons are:
- TAXES, they are bad especially if you are in the $40,000+ bracket.
- Winters are very cold in the midwest/prairies and most of Ontario.
- Did I mention taxes?
- Not a cheap place to live in major cities, hell Saskatoon has a housing crisis right now!
Don't worry about the hockey for your son, lots of Canadians play soccer, Rugby and basketball along with Gridiron and Baseball. And why would Canada be part of the United States? |
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bejarano-korea

Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:40 am Post subject: |
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Zulu wrote: |
Two very cool countries and peoples. Hmmmm....tough call.  |
I know, thankfully I have a choice whih is pretty nice!  |
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bejarano-korea

Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:42 am Post subject: |
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pest2 wrote: |
are you married yet? or is it speculative? marry a woman from the country you like and it becomes easier to get in  |
Thats a good idea but I don't want to tell bejarano-korea jr that he was concieved because my main concern was to get away from
thick chavs and afford a house with a garden an his mum (mom) happened to be Australian/Canadian. |
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bejarano-korea

Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:48 am Post subject: |
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demaratus wrote: |
I am Canadian and I would say the benefits of Canada are:
- It's a vast nation with an unparalled variety of geography.
- It is a cultural mosiac more than a melting pot.
- The best winter sports destination in the world (if you are into that), with great summers (in western Canada, it is still afforable to own a cabin or cottage at a nice lake, for people of middle class income)
- Proximity to the USA, Europe and the Caribbean.
- Good friendly people, relatively low crime.
The cons are:
- TAXES, they are bad especially if you are in the $40,000+ bracket.
- Winters are very cold in the midwest/prairies and most of Ontario.
- Did I mention taxes?
- Not a cheap place to live in major cities, hell Saskatoon has a housing crisis right now!
Don't worry about the hockey for your son, lots of Canadians play soccer, Rugby and basketball along with Gridiron and Baseball. And why would Canada be part of the United States? |
Cheers, Canada has a lot going for it, all the Canadians I have met have been sound and I like the fact that it has low crime rate. Maybe my views on Canada have been coloured by watching 'Degrassi junior high' and 'four on the floor' when I was a lad.
Why would Canada be part of the United States? You never know whats going to happen with a national boundary, Tuscany and Saxony were independent countries 200 years ago. There was a phone in (on the odious talk sport admittedly) here in the UK and most of the (cretinous
admittedly) listeners would rather be the 51st state (lets rename the country east rhode island!) than be part of the EU.  |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:48 am Post subject: |
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demaratus wrote: |
I am Canadian and I would say the benefits of Canada are:
- It's a vast nation with an unparalled variety of geography.
- It is a cultural mosiac more than a melting pot.
- The best winter sports destination in the world (if you are into that), with great summers (in western Canada, it is still afforable to own a cabin or cottage at a nice lake, for people of middle class income)
- Proximity to the USA, Europe and the Caribbean.
- Good friendly people, relatively low crime.
The cons are:
- TAXES, they are bad especially if you are in the $40,000+ bracket.
- Winters are very cold in the midwest/prairies and most of Ontario.
- Did I mention taxes?
- Not a cheap place to live in major cities, hell Saskatoon has a housing crisis right now!
Don't worry about the hockey for your son, lots of Canadians play soccer, Rugby and basketball along with Gridiron and Baseball. And why would Canada be part of the United States? |
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dogshed

Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Australia and Canada are very large countries. I've never been to either, but being from another large country, the US, I can tell you that your lifestyle can vary quite a bit based on where you are living in that country.
Do you want to live on a farm in the middle of nowhere? The Canadian Rockies? The middle of Toronto?
I'm sure both Canada and Australia probably have some subcultures you will dislike as much as the Chavs.
I remember meeting a British couple that retired to Tulsa, Oklahoma. I'm not exactly sure why they liked it so much. I think Tulsa is boring. |
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kiwigirl :O)
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Location: Bundang
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: Canada or Oz... help me! |
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bejarano-korea wrote: |
I'll be 40 with wife and kids pretty soon (in the next 5 years) the time of I wandering the world teaching English and getting my arse handed to me in the prize ring will be a thing of the past.
So I'm after somewhere to settle that isn't England. Unlike most Brits who emigrate somewhere I don't mind immigrants coming to live here, don't mind the concept of the EU and don't mind paying high taxes as long as we get something back as regards health care and pensions.
What I hate though are the home grown lazy chav bastards who are overpopulating the place who breed incessantly whose offspring go on to mug, pillage and harrass you at every turn... if you headbutt them into the floor it is YOU who gets arrested!
Which brings me onto lazy, incompetent policemen and stupid judges.
self serving politicians and nowhere to buy decent machengo cheese!
My sister and her husband have spent a 100 grand (thats pound sterling) on a 2 bedroom house in the arse end of Manchester (clue: Dr Shipman and Myra Hindley's stomping ground) so buying a house here is a no-no
as well as the rewarding of stupidity via the media (Jordan and Jade Goody for example) which is making kids believe that all you need to become famous and rich is not talent but a backside as thick as a rhino's! Country is going to the dogs! I'm outta here and I'm thinking of two places...
Australia
Pros:
1) Nice weather and I can live by the beach
2) Kids can take part in many sporting activities and grow up
to be mentally and physically balanced
3) I can afford a nice house with a garden
Cons:
1) Being nicknamed 'Pommie' at work
2) Having Australians taking the piss out of me because of the cricket (as if I care!)
3) Meeting other brits whinging how the old country has gone to the dogs because of blacks, eastern europeans and political correctness
4) Difficult to get in
Canada
Pros:
1) Easier than Australia to get in
2) Canadians tend to be nice and friendly
3) Canadians seem to respect multi culturalism
4) I can afford a nice house with a garden
Cons:
1) Snow!
2) My son will want me to take him to ice hockey and I won't know what the hell is going on
3) Meeting other brits whinging how the old country has gone to the dogs because of blacks, eastern europeans and political correctness
4) Might become part of the united states of America one day!
Help us make a choice folks! |
if you do decide to go for australia...then go to new zealand for a couple of years first....new zealand is probably the most easy western country to get into and obtain citizenship....then onc e you are a "kiwi" then you go go across to aussie no questions asked and get the same benefits as an australian citizen....
aussie benefits
good income
a lot of vacation time (4-6 weeks a year)
taxes are moderate but i think school and heathcare is free (or heavily subsidised)
climate
the country is also a continent so its easy to get around....
also its close to new zealand (3 hours flight and awesome skiing....think of new zealand as the canada of the south pacific)
good luck
canada is a tempting possiblity though...most of my friends here are canadian and i definitely want to get across there and see what its all "aboot"
cheers
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happeningthang

Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: Canada or Oz... help me! |
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kiwigirl :O) wrote: |
if you do decide to go for australia...then go to new zealand for a couple of years first....new zealand is probably the most easy western country to get into and obtain citizenship....then onc e you are a "kiwi" then you go go across to aussie no questions asked and get the same benefits as an australian citizen....
aussie benefits
good income
a lot of vacation time (4-6 weeks a year)
taxes are moderate but i think school and heathcare is free (or heavily subsidised)
climate
the country is also a continent so its easy to get around....
also its close to new zealand (3 hours flight and awesome skiing....think of new zealand as the canada of the south pacific)
good luck
canada is a tempting possiblity though...most of my friends here are canadian and i definitely want to get across there and see what its all "aboot"
cheers
kg |
I'd agree with trying New Zealand as the backdoor to Australia, but I think Kiwigirl is being overly generous to Aus on some points.
The vacation time is a stock standard 2 weeks for most jobs, but depends on what you do I guess. It is "easy" to get around, but lots of road in between most places. It's still a great place to live, but there's a housing market boom on, and expensive to buy a place near the beach at the best of times. |
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safeblad
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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i hear you about england
take advantage of your EU passport.. you are virtually a citizen of a lot of countries which are much cooler and less culturally defunct than canada an australia
you can even use your esl experience to get your foot in the door while you learn the language etc
you can stay close to your family and your roots... a 0.01p ryan air flight away |
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Fresh Prince

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: The glorious nation of Korea
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Canada is extremely cold in the winter which can get old fast for some people. The nostalgia aside (beautiful scenery, wonderful winter sports, etc, etc,) that translates to high heating costs and a variety of extra work to deal with the snow and ice.
The job market isn't as good as a lot of people think. Canadian professionals like doctors, lawyers, and engineers can move slightly south and earn three times more than they can in Canada. Canada combates this by constantly reminding its people about how bad America is on regular basis instead of focusing on the economic reasons why they are leaving. On the other side of the coin, there is a reason why there are so many Canadians in Korea. The job market for non-professional and non-trade (plumbing, pipefitting, etc, etc,) isn't that great. jobshark.ca is a good place to go to get an idea of how much you'll make and what kind of experience you'll need.
You might want to do check out some Canadian and Australian immigration forums to see what people going through the process think about it. The age thing (40) isn't an issue with Canada but after you turn 45 you'll lose some points on the skills test if you plan on immigrating as a skilled worker. |
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