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Paji eh Wong
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| newton kabiddles wrote: |
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| Isolation can lead to strange ideas. |
And Korea has been, in effect, an island for a long time. |
Korea is not isolated and it's never been an isolated island. That's just South Korean and US government propaganda. |
Korea is not isolated? Are you on drugs? It,s true they are all are perfectly at home within Korean society, sort of like many countries, like China and Japan even. Or like my home province in Canada, Newfoundland. But to say we are not at least somewhat sheltered from the rest the rest of the world, lacking a solid sounding board and reality check, would be misguided. Being a foreigner here you can easily tell how clueless many locals are about the world outside their piece of land. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Fact: US is 74% white. The next largest demographic is Black at 12.1%.
I don't know where, how, or when, but people got some crazy notion that the US was extremely diverse with white making up only roughly 55-60% of the population.
Now, for the topic at hand. Just because you are "pure blood" Korean doesn't mean jack crap. I'm a gyopo and 100% "pure blood" Korean. Guess what?? I have just as much trouble getting a credit card that every other "waygook" gets. I get denied access to almost every Korean internet site there is.
Just because I am "pure-blood" Korean doesn't make me any more special than any other foreigner in Korea. So, I got an F Visa. Big deal. Lots of foreigners in Korea have F Visas. I can speak Korea. Ok, lots of foreigners in Korea can speak Korean.
This whole "Pure-blood" argument is moot.
If the UN wants to do a study about "pure blood" then why don't they go to States in the US like Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Tennessee. Why don't they go around and ask all the daughters of white families "What would your daddy do if you brought home a black boyfriend? |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:52 am Post subject: |
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Fact: US is 74% white. The next largest demographic is Black at 12.1%.
I don't know where, how, or when, but people got some crazy notion that the US was extremely diverse with white making up only roughly 55-60% of the population.
Now, for the topic at hand. Just because you are "pure blood" Korean doesn't mean jack crap. I'm a gyopo and 100% "pure blood" Korean. Guess what?? I have just as much trouble getting a credit card that every other "waygook" gets. I get denied access to almost every Korean internet site there is.
Just because I am "pure-blood" Korean doesn't make me any more special than any other foreigner in Korea. So, I got an F Visa. Big deal. Lots of foreigners in Korea have F Visas. I can speak Korea. Ok, lots of foreigners in Korea can speak Korean.
This whole "Pure-blood" argument is moot.
If the UN wants to do a study about "pure blood" then why don't they go to States in the US like Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Tennessee. Why don't they go around and ask all the daughters of white families "What would your daddy do if you brought home a black boyfriend? |
I think you're missing the point dude.
The Korean government itself has laws in place to preserve the ethnocentric view.
Military service is a great example, as well as citizenship laws.
And while the American population may make up 74% of the country (I think it's a little lower than this actually), since when do whites constitute one large homogeneous group.
The caucasians in America come from many different nations.
Thus it's kind of a stretch IMO to compare Koreans to whites in the States.
No doubt there's still a lot of racism in America. But at the same time they are light years ahead of the Korean in this regard. And so if most of the developed world which Korea wants to be so much a part of.
If you want to join the club then you'll have to play by some of our western/liberals views. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| Ethnic diversity is strength |
Is this anything more than a meaningless soundbite? Of course, talk of 'pure blood' is nonsense, but the argument that multicultural societies are inherently superior to homogeneous ones like Korea is multicultural propaganda. One only need look at Nigeria, Yugoslavia, Indonesia and India to see that multiculturalism isn't all it's cracked up to be. |
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jessie-b
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:14 am Post subject: |
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The notion of who is "white" has changed through the generations. My grandfather came from Italy and was not considered white when he arrived in the U.S. My great-grandfather came from Lithuania, was Jewish and was not white when he arrived in the U.S. Even the Irish were not considered white when they came in the 1840s. Race has never been a purely scientific idea but rather a social construct and completely fluid. Here's an interesting article if you have time...http://academic.udayton.edu/Race/01race/white13.htm
But you are right in that the people who are considered NOT WHITE in the U.S. today are "minorities"...I think the classifications are American Indian or Alaska Native; Asian; Black or African American; Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander; and White. Also there are 63 possible combinations of the above. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
Fact: US is 74% white. The next largest demographic is Black at 12.1%.
I don't know where, how, or when, but people got some crazy notion that the US was extremely diverse with white making up only roughly 55-60% of the population.
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Firstly, if your stats were completely accurate, 74% is not even close to being homogenous. 26% of 300 million is quite a bit. Perhaps people get the 55-60% idea from stats like these:
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| According to U.S. Census Bureau's estimation for 2005, 45% of American children under the age of 5 are minorities.[5] In 2006, the nation�s minority population reached 100.7 million. |
Also, as mentioned, it depends on what "white" means:
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According to the Census Bureau's 2005 American Community Survey the US population is as follows:[11]
White American, 74.7%, or about 215.3 million (the definition of White includes European Americans, Middle Eastern Americans (e.g. Arab Americans, Iranian Americans), Central Asian Americans, and Hispanic Americans who reported as White in the 2000 Census)
Black American 12.1% or 34.9 million
Asian American (Includes people from the subcontinent and southeast asia) 4.3% or 12.5 million,
American Indian 0.8% or 2.4 million
Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander 0.1% or 0.4 million
Some other race 6% or 17.3 million
Two or more races 1.9% or 5.6 million
Each of the above categories includes people who identify their ethnicity as Hispanic or Latino.[12] U.S. federal law defines Hispanic to indicate any person with ancestry from a Latin American country or Spain.[13]
Hispanics of any race: 14.5% or about 41.9 million.[14] |
Using this definition, "white" is actually a pretty diverse group on its own. Later it is mentioned that Hispanics are basically not considered a separate group, but are included in the other racial groupings and there are 42 million of them.
Info from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States |
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Billy Pilgrim
Joined: 08 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| I like multiculturalism. Better food. Hotter women. |
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chriswylson
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| If there are no races, then why are you talking about racism? If races are all the same, then why would a multiracial country be aby better? More pathetic idiots here too... |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:44 am Post subject: |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
Fact: US is 74% white. The next largest demographic is Black at 12.1%.
I don't know where, how, or when, but people got some crazy notion that the US was extremely diverse with white making up only roughly 55-60% of the population. |
Since when are all white people the same? All black people? All Asians?
Let's say that 60% of the Us IS white, so what? Did thy come from Russia or from England? From Italy or from Spain? Lumping all white people (or any "skin color") together is ignorant of their differences.
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Now, for the topic at hand. Just because you are "pure blood" Korean doesn't mean jack crap. I'm a gyopo and 100% "pure blood" Korean. Guess what?? I have just as much trouble getting a credit card that every other "waygook" gets. I get denied access to almost every Korean internet site there is.
Just because I am "pure-blood" Korean doesn't make me any more special than any other foreigner in Korea. So, I got an F Visa. Big deal. Lots of foreigners in Korea have F Visas. I can speak Korea. Ok, lots of foreigners in Korea can speak Korean.
This whole "Pure-blood" argument is moot.
If the UN wants to do a study about "pure blood" then why don't they go to States in the US like Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Tennessee. Why don't they go around and ask all the daughters of white families "What would your daddy do if you brought home a black boyfriend? |
I'm on an F5 and I get where you're coming from.
Now if only Korea would allow dual-passport holders.  |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| America was mostly a white nation and it became the most powerful nation on earth. Japan is also mainly one ethnic group and has become the second largest economy. Sorry, but the idea that multiculturalism and multiracialism will lead to "Hub" korea is not logical. |
"Mostly" being a vary different word to each person. America might be mostly white to you... but not to me.
Homogeniality in Korea is on level never seen in America. |
and there are good historical reasons for that homogeneity. Your post is like saying "white people are white on a level unseen by the rest of humanity".
Korea located at the edge of the euroasian continant is for obvious and NATURAL reasons very homongenous. also, there are no historical reasons for her not to be, i.e. korea never had international slavery of another race and didn't engage in imperialism. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| America was mostly a white nation and it became the most powerful nation on earth. Japan is also mainly one ethnic group and has become the second largest economy. Sorry, but the idea that multiculturalism and multiracialism will lead to "Hub" korea is not logical. |
All white people are not of the same ethnic group. Ask any qualified neo-nazi. 
America's huge advantage over Korea is that we will accept just about anybody and it creates a brain-drain. Anybody can become an American. It keeps America fresh with new ideas, new labor, and new talent. Nobody can become KOREAN(nobody wants to either). American engineers and doctors don't flock to Korea, it's the other way around. Korea can ony rely on Korean talent and much of it goes overseas. That's why we have Michelle Wie and Heinz Ward. And now that we have Beckham. The World is ours.
And I'd also say that a big reason America became powerful was because of geography and resources. |
Multi ethnic and multiracial do not mean the same. america was racialy segregated for most of its history. the ethnic whites were the same race. You can't really draw a logical causal relationship between multracial society and success looking at american history as of yet. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Fresh Prince wrote: |
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| America was mostly a white nation and it became the most powerful nation on earth. Japan is also mainly one ethnic group and has become the second largest economy. Sorry, but the idea that multiculturalism and multiracialism will lead to "Hub" korea is not logical. |
As far as Japan and their economic growth is concerned, you might want to talk to some Korean War vets for their opinon on the topic. Most will tell you that the U.S. had a lot to do with the development of the Japanese industrial complex as it was an integral part of the Korean War. |
Japan basically imported the whole set of inventions and technology from the west from the late 19th century. everyone knows that. Keep in mind, though that all countries do that.
No country on earth created all of their own technology. It's impossible. we all copy. europeans copy also. copying is the smart thing to do. That's not the issue. My point was that japan became successful as a monoracial and monocultural society that was influenced by outside cultures (which as I said all cultures are). There is no history of multicultural and multiracial success in japan either.
The whole ideology of multicuturalism and multiracialism is basically a huge experiment. There is no, as of yet, any evidence that this system will work. we have many examples, in eastern europe, france and other western european countries and africa, and elsewhere, that shows that this does not work.
In fact, for example, yugoslavia was broken up along ethnic lines, (we're not even talking racial divisions here) and europe is rethinking its immigration policies.
it actually reminds me of the exuberance before communism in the early 20th century when people thought communism would bring paradise. we know that it looked good on paper but in reality it was madness and chaos. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Did America and Japan not also became world leading economies due to the fact they were willing to trade with other countries?
While Korea remained one of the poorest countries in Asia due to the fact they refused to engage in trade with other countries?
Are the true "pure blood" Koreans not starving to death and suffering floods?
No man is an island.
Fortunately alot of the younger generation realizes what a crock the idea of "pure blood" really is. |
korea's poor state had nothing to do with being or not being "pure blood" but had to do with a series of wars that devestated her economically, first the imjin wars in the 16th century and then the war with the qing dynasty in the early 17th century. Korea then pursued a policy of isolation. It was that policy of isolation that hurt korea but korea has no isolation policy now since she trades with any country that wants to trade with korea. |
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