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DCJames



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:35 am    Post subject: 512MB Graphics Cards Reply with quote

Any recommendations for decently priced and good quality 512MB cards?

Also, anyone see any laptops with 512 MB cards on them?
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chevro1et



Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Location: Busan, ROK

PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to have a gaming rig with an ATI x1800xt 512mb vid card, and it was a beast in its time... consistantly beat the nVidia 7900gt in benchmarks. Dunno about availability any more though, especially if you are looking to purchase in Korea :shrug:
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DCJames



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chevro1et wrote:
I used to have a gaming rig with an ATI x1800xt 512mb vid card, and it was a beast in its time... consistantly beat the nVidia 7900gt in benchmarks. Dunno about availability any more though, especially if you are looking to purchase in Korea :shrug:


Why is that?

It seems like VGA manufacturers stop making cards past 256MB here. Is it the SLI/Crossfire trend that's causing this? Are serious gamers expected to double up two 256MB cards to get the performance of a 512MB card?

The ATI x1800xt sounds like a nice card.
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chevro1et



Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Location: Busan, ROK

PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The x1800 series of cards can be difficult to come by, mainly because they are no longer manufactured... ATi has produced the x1900 series and now the HD2x00 series since. I believe that there were some cards in the x1900 series that also were available w. 512 mb of RAM.

Why is it so essential that you have a 512mb card? There have been many benchmarks produced that indicate that unless you are pushing high resolutions (>1440x900) that having the extra RAM has negligable benefits.

There are cards in the nVidia 8800 series that have 320mb/ 640mb/ 768mb of RAM, but these cards are fairly expensive right now. Additionally, the ATi HD2900 series has 512mb/ 1024mb of RAM as well, but again, newest tech and the price reflects this.
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KOREAN_MAN



Joined: 01 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bit-rate is more important than RAM when it comes to speed. If you want a 512MB card, you'd have to go with a 256-bit card which is fairly expensive. I believe 8800 series and HD 2900 series fit this category. Go to danawa.com and you can select video cards according to your needs. However, I doubt that you'd need a 512MB card.
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chevro1et



Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Location: Busan, ROK

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KOREAN_MAN wrote:
The bit-rate is more important than RAM when it comes to speed. If you want a 512MB card, you'd have to go with a 256-bit card which is fairly expensive.


Agreed. However, the majority of the 256mb mid to high end cards are 256-bit transfer rate as well. I would never consider a 128-bit card for myself, or reccommend one to anybody with gaming in mind.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

512MB cards have a 512bit memory bus...at least they should. The HD2900XT does. Nvidia seems to be going lame in this regard...320/384bit on a 512/640/768MB cards. Remember the days of 256MB cards with a 128bit bus? Ugh...same thing again.

128bit...useless these days.

256bit...standard, though getting pretty long in the tooth.

320/384bit...the new standard...minimum, IMO.

512bit...now we're talking. w00t ATI.

As RAM capacities go up and clock speeds increase on GPUs, the memory bus has to open to accommodate the data flow. This is classic Nvidia marketing....cripple a card by the bit rate...open it up, clock the core up a tad and call it "high end". Rolling Eyes

ATI have opened the bus up to 512MB to compete with Nvidia (ATIs product is clearly not as 'fast' as Nvidias, but by opening up the bus, it gives the card a big boost), and have done a pretty good job overall. If Nvidia opened the bus to equal the amount of RAM, that would be great for us, but leave them little headroom to milk the high-end crowd.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've become disillusioned with high-end graphics cards. Not worth the money.

I've ordered an 8600GTS. MSI. 189,000 from Danawa. Expensive compared to the states. If you order from newegg.com in the states and send in your rebate coupon that card would be about 140 dollars. Should arrive today hopefully. I decided my gaming needs don't require a high-end card.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
I've become disillusioned with high-end graphics cards. Not worth the money.

I've ordered an 8600GTS. MSI. 189,000 from Danawa. Expensive compared to the states. If you order from newegg.com in the states and send in your rebate coupon that card would be about 140 dollars. Should arrive today hopefully. I decided my gaming needs don't require a high-end card.


Wow...eamo....those cards all have a 128bit bus. Really, that makes a big difference.
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Thunndarr



Joined: 30 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

God I can't wait until I'm allowed to upgrade my PC again.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
eamo wrote:
I've become disillusioned with high-end graphics cards. Not worth the money.

I've ordered an 8600GTS. MSI. 189,000 from Danawa. Expensive compared to the states. If you order from newegg.com in the states and send in your rebate coupon that card would be about 140 dollars. Should arrive today hopefully. I decided my gaming needs don't require a high-end card.


Wow...eamo....those cards all have a 128bit bus. Really, that makes a big difference.


I know, I know, but for my gaming needs, and my 21inch screen, and my wallet, it's the card for me!!

I know it's underpowered, but I noticed that I saw very little difference playing games in 1680X1050 resolution and 1280X1024 (?) resolution. The price of cards seems to depend a lot on how much memory it has. My research on the net suggests that a lot of memory only really helps when playing on big screens at high resolution. I don't plan to do that.

I'm happy in the mid-range..........for now! Laughing
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thunndarr wrote:
God I can't wait until I'm allowed to upgrade my PC again.


Need permission from 'trouble-and-strife'??? Laughing Me too!! But I'm able to steamroller through if I really want something.
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Thunndarr



Joined: 30 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
Thunndarr wrote:
God I can't wait until I'm allowed to upgrade my PC again.


Need permission from 'trouble-and-strife'??? Laughing Me too!! But I'm able to steamroller through if I really want something.


Yep. I'm making headway right now though. I have to encode a bunch of dramas for her so she can watch on her D2 and I always grumble about how much faster it would be if she'd let me upgrade the PC. She hasn't caved yet, but it's just a matter of time.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thunndarr wrote:
eamo wrote:
Thunndarr wrote:
God I can't wait until I'm allowed to upgrade my PC again.


Need permission from 'trouble-and-strife'??? Laughing Me too!! But I'm able to steamroller through if I really want something.


Yep. I'm making headway right now though. I have to encode a bunch of dramas for her so she can watch on her D2 and I always grumble about how much faster it would be if she'd let me upgrade the PC. She hasn't caved yet, but it's just a matter of time.


Sweet. Cool

eamo...I am in the same boat, sort of. I have a 21" CRT and it plays best at 1600x1200. Applying 4x AA at that resolution is stupid (really). AF? You bet...that makes a big difference in texture distance rendering, but @ 1600x1200, the jaggies are really not noticeable. Still, I will never get a card less than 256bit. Maybe I'm stupid....or vain....
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logan2003



Joined: 20 May 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am the luckiest guy in all of the ROK my wife not only agrees she does the same stuff that I do. Gaming, upgrading our pc's, going to 전자 란드 is so much fun.......ahhhh.

I got a duo core cpu....she told me.....I want one too! It does not get better than that!
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