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Cameras: Film or Digital?
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Film or Digital--Which is Better?
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Jizzo T. Clown



Joined: 27 Mar 2006
Location: at my wit's end

PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:24 am    Post subject: Cameras: Film or Digital? Reply with quote

I stole this idea from the general discussion thread...

I think digital is much better for the convenience and higher resolution. I've used both and with a film I just had to get the pics transferred to CD anyway, which don't compare to a camera with even 5 megapixels.

What do you think and why?
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me it's digital all the way- film is expensive to develop, and because of this you can never experiment with a photo to see how it turns out, since doing so costs money.
Printing them is cheap on http://www.kodakgalleries.com too.

But I'm no professional. Some on this board are (or damn good amateurs), so hopefully they'll give their input.
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safeblad



Joined: 17 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont know much about photography

all i know is that in an episode of 'the office' (us) michael brings a digital camera to work and takes pictures of everybody. When he hits the button there is instant flash and picture. When i push the button on my camera i have to wait for about 2 seconds and hold...steady...steady....steady....

I want a camera like that....do they exist?...someone please tell me they do
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Flash Ipanema



Joined: 29 Sep 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Digital is great for convenience. There's no film to develop, you can put pictures straight onto the internet, you can see how a picture came out immediately and re-shoot if you want. However, I took a few photography classes in college and my favorite part was printing pictures. It made me feel like I was actually creating something, I was so much more involved in the process than I ever got with digital.

There's also the problem of people never printing their digital pictures so they float in cyberspace forever, or get deleted and lost. Negatives can also be destroyed and lost, but you almost always get actual, physical pictures to hold onto. Then again, maybe I'm just nostalgic for the "old technology."
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browneyedgirl



Joined: 17 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The new digital (top of the line) SLRs are almost the same quality as manual cameras, you can mess around with the f-stop, shutter speed, change to different length lens, etc. It's really the best of both worlds...except for the cost.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

browneyedgirl wrote:
The new digital (top of the line) SLRs are almost the same quality as manual cameras, you can mess around with the f-stop, shutter speed, change to different length lens, etc. It's really the best of both worlds...except for the cost.


Nope.

Quality of film cannot be beat. Still.

The consensus is that it would take a 18 to 24 megapixel digital camera to come up with a 35mm "quality" image. There are many debates and even more variables. Lens quality, film quality, light...so many factors when doing a 35mm vs digital debate. Some say around 12mp for a "good" shot, some say 6mp for a crap lens and quick shot.

I use digital, but don't argue that film is higher quality. Yes, digital is way more convenient, but that's about it.
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indytrucks



Joined: 09 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdninkorea wrote:
film is expensive to develop, and because of this you can never experiment with a photo to see how it turns out, since doing so costs money.


Wrong. Film is cheap to have developed here. 3,000 for a roll of 36 exposure slides. 3,000 to have scanned and burned. 6,000 for the whole shebang ain't bad.

As far as rendering colour, sharpness and dynamic range, nothing touches a good slide film, even at 35mm. This is to say nothing for medium and large format. If you look through my photostream, you will see that all of my photos render sharpness and colour wonderfully. None have been photoshopped. They're all slide film.

I could go on and on, but I have to rush back to the stove to check on something. More later.

*Edit: OK, where was I? Ah yes, the superiority of film in terms of image quality, even at 35mm.

These dig v. film debates have been around forever (or at least since dig became popular and driving film companies out of business ... like Agfa), and what it boils down to I guess is a matter of personal preference. I'm of the opinion that even at 35mm, image quality is better on slide film than dig, and I don't want to sacrifice image quality for convenience. There is also something comforting in the permenence of film ... I can store my negs and they will be with me, if looked after carefully, for a long, long time. Dig, your pictures go on the laptop, get uploaded somewhere, and then deleted. I guess you could save them to CD, but I think many are in the minority there.
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it 8 to 0 for digital? The last 3 posts have all said film is better.
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indytrucks



Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
Why is it 8 to 0 for digital? The last 3 posts have all said film is better.


Because I think 'better' is too subjective a term. It all depends what you use your camera for and how it suits your purposes. I like to take sharp photos that render colour well. I use film. I think it's better.
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Jizzo T. Clown



Joined: 27 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I'm not a professional photographer by any means. My Dad's Rebel is awesome, though--I like to tinker with the f-stops, aperture, etc...not like I know what I'm doing, but I know what I like to see and how I would like a picture to turn out. I just like digital better because I can immediately see if I like a shot or not and it's easier to frame a shot. With film, I never know what it's going to look like until I get my pics developed. I guess I don't have the patience.
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Thunndarr



Joined: 30 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main thing, and this is can be good or bad depending on your point of view, is that digital has brought photography to the masses. I remember when I was growing up, most of the pictures that got taken (by people I knew) were taken with those cheap disposable cameras. One result of this is that people just never got good at framing shots, shooting in proper lighting, etc. I know that I personally took horrid shots, which I only realized after getting my first digital camera and having that instant feedback they allow. As a result, my photos, which are still very amateur, at least look good to my eyes.
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indytrucks



Joined: 09 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that it's necessarily a case of bringing photography to the masses, as film cameras did that as well, but rather it's the instant gratification that comes with dig that is its appeal. Sign of the times I guess. Take a bad shot? No problem. Zap it and take another one.

With film, especially slides, many things must be taken into account, most importantly determining exposure. With some slide films, being over or underexposed by even 1/3 of a stop renders the slide unaccaptable. Choice of film in and of itself is an artistic decision made on the part of the photographer given the subject and lighting. Getting rolls and rolls back of unacceptable slides would certainly be offputting to a beginner, and no doubt has caused many to throw in the towel straight away.

Or there are others, like myself, who have been born and bred with film and see each failed shot as an opportunity to improve. I guess, to a ceratin degree, shooting slides isn't for the amatuerist looking to snap pics of his cat or girlfriend on weekends. Fair enough.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

indytrucks wrote:
cdninkorea wrote:
film is expensive to develop, and because of this you can never experiment with a photo to see how it turns out, since doing so costs money.


Wrong. Film is cheap to have developed here. 3,000 for a roll of 36 exposure slides. 3,000 to have scanned and burned. 6,000 for the whole shebang ain't bad.


Well I got ripped off then- last time I had film developed, it was 50,000 for three rollls (prints plus CD).
A few weeks later I bought a digital camera.

By the way, I had a look at your photostream, and I want to say how amazing I think your pictures are- I was so entranced I looked at all of them in one sitting.
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indytrucks



Joined: 09 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdninkorea wrote:

Well I got ripped off then- last time I had film developed, it was 50,000 for three rollls (prints plus CD).


Holy sweet Moses! I'd go back to the developers and lob a Molotov cocktail through the door. Someone was having a laugh. I hate when stuff like that happens. Sorry to hear it.

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By the way, I had a look at your photostream, and I want to say how amazing I think your pictures are- I was so entranced I looked at all of them in one sitting.


Well, thank you very much for the compliment. I'm happy you enjoyed them.
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wo buxihuan hanguoren



Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Location: Suyuskis

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that this pic that Indytrucks took is pretty damn awesome...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/indytrucks/373175772/in/set-72157594506227365/
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