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pest2
Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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| mostly canadians dont say silly things about canada. they just say things about canada i have no interest in or dont care about.... |
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pest2
Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| seriously, though, that canadian woman on the recent tv commercial with the two korean women set in a radio broadcast hall where she speaks and ACTS korean is giving expats in korea from canada a bad name. she needs to go away. |
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demaratus
Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Location: Searching for a heart of gold, and I'm gettin' old
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:11 am Post subject: Re: Racism in Canada! |
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| I wish we had immigrants in Canada. |
I agree 100%. Racism is in fact a major problem in Canada. And it is chasing away immigrants. Canada has an international reputation for being racist.
Just today an adult Korean student told me how she lived in Canada for one year and how she experienced racism against her by Canadians there. One time someone threw some coins at her because of her race. She cried. Not from the force of the coins but because of the cruelty of being discriminated against because of her race. I think Canada has a lot to learn from America. I've heard adult Korean students say that of the Western nations, the US is the least racist.
I do know that Canada is behind America when it comes to race issues.
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Example 1:
In America, we commonly refer to non-white American minorities as "minority race + American." For example, we say "Asian-American," "African-American, etc. I know that the only minority that Canadians will do that for are "French-Canadians."
But other Canadian minorities are not given that respect and so, for example, Canadians of Chinese extraction are just called "Chinese," instead of "Chinese-Canadians," despite the fact that they are Canadian citizens (or shall we say Canadian subjects of the Queen) and pay taxes and are permanent residents and positive members of society. Despite these facts they are still refered to as "Chinese" and not "Chinese-Canadians" and so are made to feel like they do not belong and are foreigners.
I like to think that with the popularity of the American useage of "minority race + American," such "minority race + Canadian" usage will eventually take root in Canada.
It is a total outrage for Canadians to refer to Canadians of a minority race as just that minority race and not put the word "Canadian" with it even though they are really Canadians who happen to be of a minority extraction.
The only minority group given the honor of "minority race + Canadian" are French-Canadians and all other minorities are identified as just non-Canadians. Total outrage!
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Example 2:
Furthermore, another example of Canadaian racism is their discriminatory law(s) that do not recognizes foreign degrees.
As a result of such discriminatory laws there are all these very highly educated immigrants who have to work at very poor working-class jobs. Doctors, engineers, etc., are forced to work as working-class jobs and so are forced into poverty. All their hard work to get their degree(s), along with their talent and knowledge, goes to waste in Canada.
The US does not have such discriminatory laws and recognizes foreign degrees. After all, we see all those Canadians with Canadian degrees able to use those degrees in America. That is one of the reasons why there is a brain drain from Canada to America. We do not discriminate against Canadians or any other foreigners.
I heard about this Canadian discriminatory law(s) over a year ago and how as a result of such discriminatory policies many Canadian immigrants were in turn immigrating to the US from Canada! True story! Due to the legal discrimination they faced in Canada they were foced to live in poverty and so as a result they were immigrating to the US from Canada!
And naturally these Canadian immigrants told their relatives and friends back in their original country of how they are forced to live in poverty due to Canada's discriminatory law(s) and so to not immigrate to Canada but to the US (or maybe elsewhere). This has hurt Canada's international reputation, particularly with inspring immigrants.
In fact, one of my adult Korean students recently shared with the class such a story dealing with her uncle. Her uncle is a surgeon from Korea who immigrated to Canada but because the discriminatory laws in Canada did not recongize his degree he was forced to work as a truck driver. Surgeon to truck driver! Major step down!
In fact, this policy is even hurting Canadians who leave Canada. I've read how Canadians who go to medical school outside of Canada, including the US, are legally prohibited from working as a doctor in Canada, as so as a result many Canadians are leaving Canada forever and immigrating to the US.
I learned about this by reading a very imformative website by such a Canadian who finally gave up hope of ever being able to work in his/her home country as a doctor because he/she went to medical school outside of Canada. After giving up hope of being able to work in Canada he/she settled in the US and he/she even advised other Canadians who did not go to medical school in Canada to just face the fact that Canada will never change and they should leave Canada forever. In fact, he/she even recommended that individuals who go to medical school outside of Canada to marry an American as that will help them get permanent residency status and citizenship in the US.
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To learn more about the history of racism in Canada (against Blacks, Native Indians, Asians, Jews, etc.) see "The History of Racism in Canada"
at http://www.hopesite.ca/remember/history/racism_canada_1.html
Before we can fix a problem people need to be aware of it and recongize it. That is why I'm posting this info. So that there can be education and discussion about it. Canada needs to change. Together we can make it happen.
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A++ will read again!
1. The single experience of one Korean girl means Canada is a horribly racist nation.
2. Using race/nationality + American makes Americans more tolerant than Canadians? LoL! Sure you could also say that Canadians not doing this means that we respect them as equals in our country and don't see any need to label them by their ethnicity. P.s. Being French- Canadian is a distinction that the French promote and Canada accepts it, If the Chinese community demanded to be called Chinese- Canadian I am sure our government would probably make it law. And French is not a minority race, it's an ethnicity.
3. What the hell does this mean? "It is a total outrage for Canadians to refer to Canadians of a minority race as just that minority race and not put the word "Canadian" with it even though they are really Canadians who happen to be of a minority extraction. "
4. Canada reckognizes lots of degrees from other nations, but we do have standards, not unlike the USA who also has standards. Because of a shortage in Canada ofmedical personel, this will be changing to allow for the acceptance of more foriegn doctors and nurses. Any degree from a reckognized medical school in the USA is acceptible in Canada.
5. Yeah Canada has a history of racism, just like every other country in the world.
Like I said, A++ buddy. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| Canadians make fun of George W's speech impediments while they had Johnathan Cretin as Prime Minister. |
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demaratus
Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Location: Searching for a heart of gold, and I'm gettin' old
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:24 am Post subject: Re: US vs Canada! |
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| Geckoman wrote: |
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| If the two countries were so much the same all the world would have pretty much the same impression and views about both countries; this is not the case. |
Exactly!
America is known around the world as the land of opportunity and of the land of freedom. America is the most admired and respected country in the world. America is the world's role model of success and greatness. All other countries inspire to be like America and seek to learn and copy how things are done in America. The world knows so much about America and are fans of her pop culture. Foreigners from all around the world believe in and wish to have the "American Dream."
This compares with Canada which is not known as the land of opportunity and freedom. Canada is not admired or respected around the world. In fact, people often talk of Canada as still being a colony of the United Kingdom (is't that the British Queen on Canadan money. Sad.  ). No other country looks to Canada as a role model or inspires to be like Canada or trys to learn and copy how things are done in Canada. In fact, most of the world knows nothing about Canada except that they are right next to the US and that they are a colony of England. The world knows nothing of Canada's culture. No one ever talks about a "Canadian Dream," and as shown by evidence that I have earlier posted on this thread, many immigrants who immigrate to Canada are learning the hard way that it does not exist. And this disappointment is causing Canada to have an international reputation as a place that denys opportunity and discriminates against others.
Canada is lucky in that it is so close to America and so it can easily learn from America. Other countries wish they were as lucky. And I speak the truth.
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Just when I thought the other post was A++ material, this one is even better! A++++++++++++ You win the prize!
http://www.smdblink.plus.com/you_win_the_prize.jpg |
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demaratus
Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Location: Searching for a heart of gold, and I'm gettin' old
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| crusher_of_heads wrote: |
| Canadians make fun of George W's speech impediments while they had Johnathan Cretin as Prime Minister. |
Naw Canadians thought Chr�tien was pretty embarrasing too, even French Canadians are embarrased of the guy.
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Are you retarted?
Cretien's speech impediment was due to natural causes which he had no control over.
Bush "speaking problems" are due to his lack of vocabulary, grammatical errors, and just plain stupidity.
You're comment is like comparing a leg amputee to a fat person running a very slow race. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
Are you retarted?
You're comment is like comparing a leg amputee to a fat person running a very slow race. |
That's about enough from you on the subject, retard.
Thanks for trying. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, calling you a retard in my post was possibly a little hypocritical.
My apologies to the mentally ill.
But you're still an idiot for even trying to compare Bush inability to form a proper sentence, to a man like Cretien who was slowed by a natural defect. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: |
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[quote="endo reTard wrote as best she could: ]Yeah, calling you a retard in my post was possibly a little hypocritical.
My apologies to the mentally ill, people like myself.
But you're still an idiot for even trying to compare Bush inability to form a proper sentence, to a man like Cretien who was slowed by a natural defect.[/quote]
You didn't call me a retard, retard.
It's great when the self-righteous get their knickers in a twist.
Just like Johnathan Cretin said, "the proof is in the proof!"
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dogshed
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:08 am Post subject: Re: the largest country |
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However, it does, by a huge margin, have the longest coastline in the world if that means anything. |
All coastlines have infinite length. It's a fractal thing. |
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bejarano-korea
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:08 am Post subject: |
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here is what an English bloke says about Canada...
It has fine looking women!
Course I'm right! |
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dogshed
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: |
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A french Canadian stole my rubber spiders.
When I was driving a truck I bought some rubber spiders to use as markers for backing the trailer because they had blinking LED lights.
At one warehouse this French Canadian guy was helping me back into my space. I saw him pick up my rubber spiders. I thought he was just being nice and picking them up for me.
Later when I asked for them he pretended to not know what I was talking about.
My favorite Canadian actresses are:
Amanda Tapping
Sarah Chalke
Sandra Oh |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:42 am Post subject: |
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"Canada is a socialist country" - one of my coworkers said this when talking about health care.
Then I asked him about his $40,000 college loan. |
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Geckoman
Joined: 07 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:01 am Post subject: Why Is Canada Shutting Out Doctors? |
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| 4. Canada reckognizes lots of degrees from other nations, but we do have standards, not unlike the USA who also has standards. Because of a shortage in Canada ofmedical personel, this will be changing to allow for the acceptance of more foriegn doctors and nurses. Any degree from a reckognized medical school in the USA is acceptible in Canada. |
See "Why Is Canada Shutting Out Doctors?" by Reader's Digest (Canada version) at http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2004/08/doctors.html or see below:
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Why Is Canada Shutting Out Doctors?
While millions of Canadians can�t find a doctor, thousands of foreign physicians can�t get a licence to practise
BY CLAUDIA CORNWALL
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In Iran, Dr. Shahab Khanahmadi, a graduate of the Tehran University of Medical Sciences, had worked as a family physician for two years. He also worked as an assistant in the university neurology department�s clinical electrophysiology laboratory, studying diseases such as epilepsy. But in Canada, Khanahmadi hasn�t been able to work as a doctor. The closest he�s come to a hospital is as an unpaid assistant to a neurologist and as a volunteer in a family practice.
The 32-year-old says, �I am so disappointed.� He is the victim of a complicated bureaucracy that seems intent on shutting out foreign-trained physicians.
Khanahmadi came to Vancouver in September 2001. Because his English is flawless, he aced the language tests�written and oral�that foreign-trained doctors must pass to practise in this country. He also passed a series of Canadian medical exams. This year Khanahmadi applied for a residency position under the Canadian Resident Matching Service (CaRMS). He got two interviews but no position. Last year British Columbia had only six positions set aside in family practice for immigrant doctors. In September 2004 Khanahmadi will try for one of these positions, and he says that if he doesn�t make it this September, he�ll probably move. He has already passed the three exams necessary to work in the United States. �I�d rather stay in Canada,� he says, �but it�s so difficult for me.�
Equally frustrated are patients, health professionals and administrators across the country who struggle with a shortage of doctors every day. Right now, Hamilton is short 40 physicians�and somewhere between 40,000 and 50,000 people in the community do not have a doctor. �Young families must use after-hours clinics and hospital emergency departments because they can�t find a physician,� says Kim Harper, former executive director of the Academy of Medicine in Hamilton.
In Calgary, Dana Ball has been looking for a general practitioner (GP) for three years. The mother of three young children says, �Whenever I see a doctor in a clinic or in emergency, I ask, �Do you know any doctors that are taking new patients?� They say, �There are no doctors available�there just aren�t any.��
According to the College of Family Physicians of Canada, 41? million people had trouble finding a family physician in 2002. We lack at least 3,000 family doctors, and the situation is getting worse. The country produces fewer family physicians now than it did a decade ago. The shortfall could grow to 6,000 by 2011 if nothing is done.
Specialists are also in critically short supply. We need cardiovascular specialists, anesthetists, psychiatrists, radiologists, obstetricians. Hospitals have to turn patients away because of a shortage of emergency room physicians. In January 2000 Joshua Fleuelling, 18, suffered a serious asthma attack in Scarborough. Because the nearest hospital could not accept any more patients, the ambulance took him to another hospital, where he died. The coroner�s inquest listed the acute shortage of physicians in local emergency departments as one of the causes of his death.
Canada�s doctor shortage is partly rooted in a 1991 report commissioned by the provincial deputy ministers of health. In that document, Morris Barer and Greg Stoddart, two health economists, predicted that Canada was facing a physician surplus. In response, provincial governments, scrambling to save money, cut first-year enrollment to Canadian medical schools by about ten percent. Dr. Andrew Cave, an associate professor in the Department of Family Medicine at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, says, �Despite the predictions of the gurus ten years ago, in fact, we need more doctors.�
Dr. Dale Dauphinee, executive director of the Medical Council of Canada, coauthored a report in 1999 that calculated that Canada needs to recruit 2,500 new doctors a year. This would cover both physicians retiring or leaving the country and population growth. Our own graduates can�t fill the void: Our medical schools graduate only 1,570 new doctors a year�a shortfall of 930.
A major problem is the shortage of residency openings. The provincial colleges of physicians and surgeons, which grant doctors their licences, require that after medical school, doctors complete a residency: at least two years of hands-on training, usually in a hospital. An American residency is treated on a par with a Canadian one, but residencies in other countries are not. Therefore, the majority of immigrant doctors have to complete a residency here.
�The snag is getting the training,� Cave explains. �You can pass all your exams, but you still can�t get into a training program.�
Dr. Abdel Bashir graduated from the Sudanese University of Gezira as a general practitioner in 1995. That same year, he came to Ontario, fleeing a brutal dictatorship. In Canada Bashir passed the English exams as well as the Medical Council of Canada�s Evaluation Exam, which all foreign doctors must write. He also passed the council�s Qualifying Exam, which Canadian medical graduates must do to get their licences. He also became a Canadian citizen. However, the final step�getting a residency�proved to be much more challenging than he�d ever imagined.
Bashir had his eye on becoming a resident in internal medicine at McMaster University in Hamilton. But to get there, he needed to pass two more exams�one written and one clinical�administered by the Ontario International Medical Graduate Program. Bashir says, �I had never failed an exam in my life.� But the first time he took the Ontario exams, his clinical scores were not high enough to be accepted into the program. He tried again a year later, with the same disappointing result.
When he wasn�t on social assistance, Bashir worked as a cabbie and a dishwasher. He tried the exams again in 2002 and 2003. His written results were always among the highest out of some 500 candidates. But the examiners weren�t satisfied with his clinical skills. They told Bashir his accent made it difficult for patients to understand him. Finally, in 2004, almost nine years and 15 exams later, Bashir got closer to practising here as a doctor. He secured a residency at McMaster. It was what he had always wanted, but he says, �I am 33. I�ve lost nine years�almost a third of my life.�
Foreign doctors can compete with Canadian medical school graduates for residency positions, but in order to do so, they have to register with CaRMS. And there is a catch: Foreign doctors will only be considered after Canadian-trained graduates have found residency positions. They can compete in the second round�for the leftovers. The competition is stiff. In 2003, 625 international graduates competed. Only 67�about ten percent�found a position.
In every province the situation regarding residency positions varies: the number of positions available, the rules about how to get them and how long a doctor has to train. Each province sets aside a few positions for foreign doctors, but in no province is the number of residencies available equal to the number of doctors seeking to fill them.
In Manitoba, the shortage of doctors has been particularly severe. But the province recently changed its regulations, creating a new program that allows a foreign graduate to receive enhanced training for up to one year to qualify as a doctor.
Mahmoud Ebadi immigrated to Canada from Iran in 1999 with his wife and two boys. He had studied medicine at the University of Tabriz and been a GP for five years. However, both Citizenship and Immigration and the Canadian embassy in Iran warned him there were no positions for immigrant physicians in Canada. They were right.
Then, in 2001, the Manitoba government announced its new program and Ebadi was accepted. After his skills were assessed, he was told he needed to complete a one-year training program. At the end of November 2003, he finally started working as a doctor for the Burntwood Regional Health Authority in Thompson, Man. �Four years is a long time to wait,� says Dr. Ebadi. �But it�s fantastic to be back in practice again.�
Admitting qualified doctors makes economic sense. If a foreign-trained doctor requires additional training to come up to Canadian standards, it is far cheaper to provide it than to educate a doctor entirely from scratch. Herb Emery, an associate professor of economics at the University of Calgary, says it costs Alberta taxpayers about $300,000 to put a student through three years of medical school. This would be saved if immigrants who already have medical degrees were accepted for residencies.
Joan Atlin, executive director of the Association of International Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario, estimates that Ontario has between 2,000 and 4,000 immigrant doctors looking for a practice. �Doctors are coming with thousands of dollars of training and experience in their pockets,� says Atlin. �They have a right to be assessed, and if found to be qualified, they should be allowed to practise their profession.�
Patrick Coady, co-ordinator of a group that assists the Association of International Medical Doctors of British Columbia, agrees. �We have people who have been the heads of emergency medicine in hospitals servicing a population of a million, anesthetists who have been practising for 20 years. After they pass all the exams, go through all the hoops, they can�t even mop a floor in a hospital let alone work as a medical professional.�
Vancouver MP Dr. Hedy Fry, a medical doctor and the parliamentary secretary to Citizenship and Immigration Minister Judy Sgro, believes that we have to look at fast-tracking. �Do we always have to have doctors come in and spend a year in residency?� she asks. �When do we start valuing foreign experience? Europe is ahead of us on this. You can be trained in Italy and work in the United Kingdom. We�re lagging.�
The Medical Council of Canada�s Dr. Dale Dauphinee is more blunt: �We are shooting ourselves in the foot.�
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Source: Reader's Digest (Canada version); http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2004/08/doctors.html
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