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just another day

Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: Attila The Mongol Invaded Rome because of a Womans Love |
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Picture of Attila the Hun/Mongol.
Picture of the Roman Princess Honoria.
Roman Princess Honoria asked for Attila's hand in marriage in 450 AD who at the time was the King of the Mongols/Huns. When the forces of evil sought to seperate their engagement, Attila the Hun invaded the western Roman empire and brought it to its knees. Who said love is not worth fighting for?
No wonder the Roman Empire collapsed in 476 AD. They were against Love.
here is a story about it.
http://www.bartleby.com/67/402.html
http://wildfiregames.com/0ad/page.php?p=8999
Quite an interesting history of Attila and Honoria!
Rumor has it that Attila and Honoria ran off together, and their love was shunned by western historians for the rest of their lives. its like Braveheart, only it was real!! |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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It is a very interesting story..I'm really interested in histroy of Ghenghis Khan and khubalai and a little into the huns.
Why do you call him Atilla the mongol though? Hun means person which is what they called themselves(the huns), I thought. The huns were not ethnically mongols or not completely at least as far as I know. |
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just another day

Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
It is a very interesting story..I'm really interested in histroy of Ghenghis Khan and khubalai and a little into the huns.
Why do you call him Atilla the mongol though? Hun means person which is what they called themselves(the huns), I thought. The huns were not ethnically mongols or not completely at least as far as I know. |
mongolians were called huns before they became know as Mongols under Genghis Khan. it depends usually on the leader, what they call themselves, so it changes with different leaders.
huns when they first moved to the volga area, looked east asian.
but yeah, its pretty interesting eurasian history. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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The huns were a mix of many different people it seems.
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| Recent genetic research[2] shows that each of the great confederations of steppe warriors was not an ethnically homogeneous people, but rather an ethnic union of Ural-Altaic (Turkic, Tungus, Mongol, and Finno-Ugric) clans |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns
Of course the same could be said of the mongol empire. I know as it grew it incorporated many other tribes and peoples.
Anyway interesting story. The age old war between the steppe people and settled people is a big part of our history. |
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just another day

Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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^ yeah, eventually western Huns became very mixed. But still retained their original Hunnish culture and language.
but yeah, it really is an intersting history.... seems like such a free life. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
^ yeah, eventually western Huns became very mixed. But still retained their original Hunnish culture and language.
but yeah, it really is an intersting history.... seems like such a free life. |
Well I would say it seems like a brutal and short life but not much different from anything else you would get back then. I'm quite happy to be living in 21st century Korea. |
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just another day

Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
^ yeah, eventually western Huns became very mixed. But still retained their original Hunnish culture and language.
but yeah, it really is an intersting history.... seems like such a free life. |
Well I would say it seems like a brutal and short life but not much different from anything else you would get back then. I'm quite happy to be living in 21st century Korea. |
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just another day

Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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btw, they should make a movie about Attila and Honoria!
It should star me as attila, and Paulia Porizkova as Honoria! |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Attila The Mongol Invaded Rome because of a Womans Love |
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| just another day wrote: |
When the forces of evil sought to separate their engagement |
You must be female, am I right? "forces of evil"
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| Attila the Hun invaded the western Roman empire and brought it to its knees. |
In other words, lots of innocent and poor people were ordered to fight and die, to allow attila to get into honorias panties? How romantic. The whole thing could probably have been avoided if they had had webcam in those days. |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:18 am Post subject: |
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Ancient Rome had some really good photographers, wouldn't you say?
I can understand why its only black and white though. They didn't develop color photography until 1491. Thank god Columbus was able to take color photographs of the New World or we wouldn't have been able to make that historical documentary Conquest of Paradise. |
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riley
Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: where creditors can find me
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| Sounds to me like somebody was watching that lame ass TNT movie with Powers Boothe (always looked weird to me) as the head Roman. |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:33 am Post subject: |
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| mateomiguel wrote: |
Ancient Rome had some really good photographers, wouldn't you say?
I can understand why its only black and white though. They didn't develop color photography until 1491. Thank god Columbus was able to take color photographs of the New World or we wouldn't have been able to make that historical documentary Conquest of Paradise. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:39 am Post subject: |
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The OP did not seriously post a game site to support a historical fact did he?
I mean, you all know I dig comics and stuff, but even I wouldn't go THAT far. lol |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 3:29 am Post subject: |
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JAD is an incurable romantic, much like the late unlamented Otis.
Here�s the real story of Honoria according to Edward Gibbon (Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, vol. 2 p. 332-333) and if anything, it does the opposite of what JAD thought it would do.
�When Attila declared his resolution of supporting the cause of his allies, the Vandals and the Franks, at the same time, and almost in the spirit of romantic chivalry, the savage monarch professed himself the lover and the champion of the princess Honoria. The sister of Valentinian was educated in the palace of Ravenna; and as her marriage might be productive of some danger to the state, she was raised, by the title of Augusta, above the hopes of the most presumptuous subject. But the fair Honoria had no sooner attained the sixteenth year of her age, than she detested the importunate greatness, which must for ever exclude her from the comforts of honorable love; in the midst of vain and unsatisfactory pomp, Honoria sighed, yielded to the impulse of nature, and threw herself into the arms of chamberlain Eugenius. Her guilt and shame�were soon betrayed by the appearances of pregnancy: but the disgrace of the royal family was published to the world by the imprudence of the empress Placidia; who dismissed her daughter, after a strict and shameful confinement, to a remote exile at Constantinople. The unhappy princess passed twelve or fourteen years in the irksome society of the sisters of Theodosius, and their chosen virgins; to whose crown Honoria could no longer aspire, and whose monastic assiduity of prayer, fasting, and vigils, she reluctantly imitated. Her impatience of long and hopeless celibacy, urged her to embrace a strange and desperate resolution. The name of Attila was familiar and formidable at Constantinople; and his frequent embassies entertained a perpetual intercourse between his camp and the Imperial palace. In the pursuit of love, or rather of revenge, the daughter of Placidia sacrificed every duty, and every prejudice; and offered to deliver her person into the arms of a Barbarian, of whose language she was ignorant, whose figure was scarcely human, and whose religion and manners she abhorred. By the ministry of a faithful eunuch, she transmitted to Attila a ring, the pledge of her affection; and earnestly conjured him to claim her as a lawful spouse, to whom he had been secretly betrothed. These indecent advances were received, however, with coldness and disdain; and the king of the Huns continued to multiply the number of his wives, till his love was awakened by the more forcible passions of ambition and avarice. The invasion of Gaul was preceded, and justified, by a formal demand of the princess Honoria, with a just and equal share of the Imperial patrimony�A firm, but temperate, refusal was communicated to his ambassadors. The right of female succession, though it might derive a specious argument from the recent examples of Placidia and Pulcheria, was strenuously denied; and the indissoluble engagements of Honoria were opposed to the claims of her Scythian lover. On the discovery of her connection with the king of the Huns, the guilty princess had been sent away, as an object of horror, from Constantinople to Italy: her life was spared; but the ceremony of her marriage was performed with some obscure and nominal husband, before she was immured in a perpetual prison, to bewail those crimes and misfortunes, which Honoria might have escaped, had she not been born the daughter of an emperor.�
So we don�t have an international love match after all. We have a slutty, horny princess who offers herself to yet another man�and a Savage Barbarian who she�d never met, just to get out of a bad situation at home.
There's more. Some historians say that Attila died from having an 'overly strenuous' wedding night with one of his Western wives. It would seem that many a 'Mongol' just isn't up to snuff when it comes to deflowering a Western virgin. |
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nobody
Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Location: korea
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:04 am Post subject: racism |
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| I can not believ a person like you teaches English in foreign countries... representing the worst form of Western culture..Thanks...Poor kids.. |
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