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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:49 am Post subject: JESUS CAMP - the movie |
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Can't seem to find any previous threads to the movie.
Just watched it. Anyone else see it? Comments? |
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DRAMA OVERKILL
Joined: 12 Apr 2005
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:05 am Post subject: |
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I saw it about a month ago. I liked it - it wasn't fun to watch, but it certainly was interesting and... shocking.
What was the objective of the documentary - "An Insight To Evangelicism", or "This Is How The Evangelists Brainwash Their Children Into Incorporating Evangelist Views"??? |
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applesandshanana

Joined: 09 May 2007 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:04 am Post subject: |
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I honestly thought it was terrifying. It scares me to think of how quickly that demographic is growing and it makes me very nervous for the future.
I think the reason the movie got to me so much was because I really hate the idea of preaching religion to children. I can't complain much if an adult makes the decision to follow a certain belief, but it really bothers me when children are scared and brainwashed into believing in a religion.
The funny thing about the movie was when my fiance and I saw it in the theater, the first thing we said when Ted Haggard (the founder the huge New Life Church) was on the screen was how we could see right through him. A little while later his whole drugs and gay sex scandal hit the news. |
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Alias

Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:12 am Post subject: |
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According to his church Ted Haggard has now been cured of his homosexuality. |
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jessie-b

Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:26 am Post subject: |
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It didn't freak me out so much... my brother and I grew up in that environment. I think that despite all the brainwashing most people grow out of that mindset and begin to question the world. AND I think that the brainwashing is everywhere, it doesn't matter whether its in a church where people are dancing or crying or whatever or sitting alone in front of the TV. How is this worse than going home and playing computer games or watching TV all day? EVERYONE has to make choices in their life to grow beyond the white bread brainwashing we are fed. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:16 am Post subject: |
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jessie-b wrote: |
It didn't freak me out so much... my brother and I grew up in that environment. |
Same here more or less. With my mother and her side of the family is really into that. What bothers me is going home, and they are still into that. I have some cousins on that side of the family who are into that whole christian music thing as well. Really hate that myself.
You are right that you can grow out of it, but I think it seriously damages a person's relationships with their parents and family members who are into that. When anything you might possibly do isn't connected to God, then you are in danger of going to hell - it makes a lot of relevant discussion between parents and kids to be mute and undiscussed.
When I saw "JESUS CAMP", I just saw how most of those kids in that camp are so indoctrinated right now. That'll haunt them on some level or another for life.
I also enjoyed the Ted Haggard appearance, knowing what his whole story was later.
The George Bush thing was funny, but scarey. My other side of my family, the Catholic side, who believes the POPE IS the closest thing to God on earth...these last few years might as well have George Bush's photos in place of the Pope's photos. The Pope is against the War in Iraq, but George Bush has a closer mouthpiece to God, so the Pope is easily and quickly disregarded with no thought about that one whatsoever.
I also found it funny watching the large white camp evangelist talking about how great America was while driving in seemingly desolate small towns with fast food signs absolutely everywhere - and not a whole lot of anything else. That's HER IDEA of the greatest country on earth - just driving around between fast-food joints? The subtle symbolism (either meant or not) caught me as pretty funny. |
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newton kabiddles
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Good film. I was amazed at how relaxed everyone was in front of the cameras. |
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Novernae
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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DRAMA OVERKILL wrote: |
What was the objective of the documentary - "An Insight To Evangelicism", or "This Is How The Evangelists Brainwash Their Children Into Incorporating Evangelist Views"??? |
Actually, if I remember correctly, it started out as a positive look at evangelism; They just wanted to see what is was all about. After the first few encounters the filmmakers realized that was just impossible to spin it in a positive light and went with what the evangelists gave them. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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Novernae wrote: |
DRAMA OVERKILL wrote: |
What was the objective of the documentary - "An Insight To Evangelicism", or "This Is How The Evangelists Brainwash Their Children Into Incorporating Evangelist Views"??? |
Actually, if I remember correctly, it started out as a positive look at evangelism; They just wanted to see what is was all about. After the first few encounters the filmmakers realized that was just impossible to spin it in a positive light and went with what the evangelists gave them. |
That would make sense. I was also amazed how relaxed everyone was in front of the camera, how willing they were to be in front of it.
I was also confused if it was suppose to be a positive or negative view...some things seemed negative, but it so strongly reflects the reality of evangelicals, that I was thinking evangelicals would probably have approved and not disagreed with anything either. |
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jessie-b

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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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T.B., I must agree with that passionate evangalism breaks apart families. It can put up walls between parents and children, aunts, uncles, grandparents. Very sad. So many of the kids I grew up with in church who decided they didn't believe in Jesus ended up disowned by their families. Its really hard to be around someone you think is going to hell or someone who thinks you're going to hell. Church is supposed to be family friendly but it seems to be the opposite.
And...the best part of the movie was when she was driving around in her huge car to the fast food places. sadsadsadsadsadsad. |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Coquitlam, BC
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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I found it to be a very sad movie. The people tended to "objectify" others into someone to get converted or whatever. Very two dimensional and shallow. No sense of real community. It really lacked a sense of "humaness". I wondered where Jesus was, because I certainly didn't see him there.
I used to think: "Let's put the fun back into fundamentalism." But after watching this movie I thought instead: "Let's put the mental back into it!" How sad. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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I now pray to God to keep Satan from my powerpoint presentations  |
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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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ED209 wrote: |
I now pray to God to keep Satan from my powerpoint presentations  |
That movie is quite scary. I just finished watching it and I just kept shaking my head in disbelief.... |
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oxfordstu

Joined: 28 Aug 2004 Location: Bangkok
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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I grew up in that environment as well and I think the people in the film are freaks, the fat woman minister especially. Anyone who calls George W. Bush a man of God needs to get her head examined. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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She also mentioned a number of times about the Middle East and how they are training and basically 'brainwashing their children' (she didn't use those words exactly)...but she LIKED that they did that for Islam.
I also found it interesting when the little girl went up to the stranger in the bowling alley and it had no real prophetic value, just telling the woman the tiring old story about 'God's plan for your life' and she was convinced she was moved by the spirit to tell her that. I found it most interesting to see her being instantly approved by her father with encouragement 'good job, you were moved by the spirit' (or something to that effect). The implied and encouraged feeling that God told you to do something, and you responded to God's message.
Scarey...reminds me a lot of where Jon Krakauer's journalistic story went on the Mormon fundamentalists. (If anyone hasn't read that book, it is about a a couple Mormon fundamentalist brothers who kill their youngest brother's wife and daughter feeling they were told by the spirit to do so. Why did the spirit tell them that? Because fundamentalist Mormons of the polygamy kind believe in polygamny, and the young wife seemed to be exhibiting devil's control over her by questioning it and them). |
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