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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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^ well being a Hun was prestigious, so many people would claim to be hun, even tho they weren't.
also, many huns did mix with others.
but originally, its pretty much accepted that huns were ORIGINALLY east asian looking. before mixing with others as they marched west. after mixing though, they were still Huns. I know this doesn't exactly match western notion of eugenics, but its similiar to native american definitions of tribes. |
evidence please. And what does eugenics have to do with this? The genetic evidence says that huns were a mix of many different people and bloodlines. Can you prove that they originated in East Asia? What do you mean by East asia? Which region/area of east asia? |
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MANDRL
Joined: 13 Oct 2006
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
^ well being a Hun was prestigious, so many people would claim to be hun, even tho they weren't.
also, many huns did mix with others.
but originally, its pretty much accepted that huns were ORIGINALLY east asian looking. before mixing with others as they marched west. after mixing though, they were still Huns. I know this doesn't exactly match western notion of eugenics, but its similiar to native american definitions of tribes. |
evidence please. And what does eugenics have to do with this? The genetic evidence says that huns were a mix of many different people and bloodlines. Can you prove that they originated in East Asia? What do you mean by East asia? Which region/area of east asia? |
He doesn't know how to give credible evidence.
By the way, don't forget to pick a punter or kicker with your first choice  |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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And where did the East Asian come back from?
man, we can go far back enough in time and make an argument for Attilla the African.
The Huns from what I remember were a mixture of tibles from what is today Western Khazakstan.
Geographically that is closer to Europe than East Asia.
Seriously, I already know you believe the Hun and Sumerians were of East Asian (i.e. Lake Bikal, i.e. Korean origin)
But it's a lot more complex than that.
You're arguments are in a way very similar to the Nazi's who sent expedition teams all ofer Central and South Asia to trace their Arayan roots.
Both of you are wrong, because there really is no such thinng as a pure blood line if you go back far enough.
So this poses an onteresting question just another day, how do you feel about the Jews? |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Man, I really need to get the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. That book sounds awesome.
A horny teenager denied regular sex brought about the destruction of Rome itself. How much more awesomely human can you get? |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
^ well being a Hun was prestigious, so many people would claim to be hun, even tho they weren't.
also, many huns did mix with others.
but originally, its pretty much accepted that huns were ORIGINALLY east asian looking. before mixing with others as they marched west. after mixing though, they were still Huns. I know this doesn't exactly match western notion of eugenics, but its similiar to native american definitions of tribes. |
evidence please. And what does eugenics have to do with this? The genetic evidence says that huns were a mix of many different people and bloodlines. Can you prove that they originated in East Asia? What do you mean by East asia? Which region/area of east asia? |
He doesn't know how to give credible evidence.
By the way, don't forget to pick a punter or kicker with your first choice |
Seems like it..
I'm taking a kicker first for sure.. 
Can't wait for the draft..hoping to either pick in the 1-4 range or in the 13-16 range. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
^ well being a Hun was prestigious, so many people would claim to be hun, even tho they weren't.
also, many huns did mix with others.
but originally, its pretty much accepted that huns were ORIGINALLY east asian looking. before mixing with others as they marched west. after mixing though, they were still Huns. I know this doesn't exactly match western notion of eugenics, but its similiar to native american definitions of tribes. |
evidence please. And what does eugenics have to do with this? The genetic evidence says that huns were a mix of many different people and bloodlines. Can you prove that they originated in East Asia? What do you mean by East asia? Which region/area of east asia? |
Since when is Mongolia considered East Asia? |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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^ well being a Hun was prestigious, so many people would claim to be hun, even tho they weren't.
also, many huns did mix with others.
but originally, its pretty much accepted that huns were ORIGINALLY east asian looking. before mixing with others as they marched west. after mixing though, they were still Huns. I know this doesn't exactly match western notion of eugenics, but its similiar to native american definitions of tribes. |
evidence please. And what does eugenics have to do with this? The genetic evidence says that huns were a mix of many different people and bloodlines. Can you prove that they originated in East Asia? What do you mean by East asia? Which region/area of east asia? |
Well, Hun's original homeland was Mongolia, and they originally looked the same as Mongolians.
http://www.indiana.edu/~mongsoc/mong/history.htm
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In 209 BC, the Huns, who were by origin from ancient nomadic tribes such as Xianyu, Xianyung, Hun yi and Di, set up the first state in Central Asia. The Hun State was equal in power to the Chinese states of Tsin and Han. Khan, the sovereign of the State of Han Xiao Wendi wrote to Shan Yu of the Hun State in Laoshan: "in accordance with the decree of his Majesty, the state situated to the north of the Great Wall shall be governed by the decrees of Shan Yu, and the territory situated to the south of the Great Wall, peopled by those who wear tushmed belts and caps, shall be governed by me. Both the State of the Huns and the State of Han are powerful neighbor states".
The territory of the Huns was vast and extended to the Great Wall in the South, the Lake of Baikal in the North, Hingan Hills in the East and Erchis river in the West. The State maintained wide diplomatic, cultural and trade relations with the neighboring countries. In the middle of the first century AD the Hun State split into North and South. The Southern Huns established within the Great Wall the states of Han and Xia, which existed until the 1Oth century, while the Northern Huns migrated to East Europe and settled down there by the 4th-5th centuries AD. |
that said, bloodlines is more important than appearance. a direct descednent of Attila or Genghis, even if they don't look 100% mongolians, their bloodlines are more important than appearance. |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
^ well being a Hun was prestigious, so many people would claim to be hun, even tho they weren't.
also, many huns did mix with others.
but originally, its pretty much accepted that huns were ORIGINALLY east asian looking. before mixing with others as they marched west. after mixing though, they were still Huns. I know this doesn't exactly match western notion of eugenics, but its similiar to native american definitions of tribes. |
evidence please. And what does eugenics have to do with this? The genetic evidence says that huns were a mix of many different people and bloodlines. Can you prove that they originated in East Asia? What do you mean by East asia? Which region/area of east asia? |
Since when is Mongolia considered East Asia? |
I said east asian looking. since that is what is most familiar with the west.
also, everything i say is pretty much accepted as FACT in all academic circles all over the world. proving something that everyone already knows, isn't really proving imo. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
^ well being a Hun was prestigious, so many people would claim to be hun, even tho they weren't.
also, many huns did mix with others.
but originally, its pretty much accepted that huns were ORIGINALLY east asian looking. before mixing with others as they marched west. after mixing though, they were still Huns. I know this doesn't exactly match western notion of eugenics, but its similiar to native american definitions of tribes. |
evidence please. And what does eugenics have to do with this? The genetic evidence says that huns were a mix of many different people and bloodlines. Can you prove that they originated in East Asia? What do you mean by East asia? Which region/area of east asia? |
Since when is Mongolia considered East Asia? |
I said east asian looking. since that is what is most familiar with the west.
also, everything i say is pretty much accepted as FACT in all academic circles all over the world. proving something that everyone already knows, isn't really proving imo. |
But if it is accepted widely in academic circles you should be able to provide evidence that supports your view. I've heard many different origins proposed for the huns. The genetic evidence supports a mixture of central asian tribes.
What does east asian looking mean? They were from East Asia, or they looked like people from East Asia?
Once again wikipedia does not seem to support your view that their origins are so widely thought to be east asian.
Really read this page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns
So sources please. Do you mean that the huns came from East Asia and if so which part? |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| they looked like people from East Asia? |
yeah, i mean they originally looked like people from east asia. well, mongolians are in general taller and buffer than southern chinese. well that is if u can tell the difference...
that said, many people would claim to be descended from attila or genghis to have a claim to rule over others in the same tribe. (even if the tribe did not look 100% mongolian) its a source for many unnecessary wars. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| they looked like people from East Asia? |
yeah, i mean they originally looked like people from east asia. well, mongolians are in general taller and buffer than southern chinese. well that is if u can tell the difference... |
So they aren't from East Asia but they look like people from East Asia..mmm. I think you need to be much more specific with your claims and provide some sort of evidence. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
^ well being a Hun was prestigious, so many people would claim to be hun, even tho they weren't.
also, many huns did mix with others.
but originally, its pretty much accepted that huns were ORIGINALLY east asian looking. before mixing with others as they marched west. after mixing though, they were still Huns. I know this doesn't exactly match western notion of eugenics, but its similiar to native american definitions of tribes. |
evidence please. And what does eugenics have to do with this? The genetic evidence says that huns were a mix of many different people and bloodlines. Can you prove that they originated in East Asia? What do you mean by East asia? Which region/area of east asia? |
Since when is Mongolia considered East Asia? |
I said east asian looking. since that is what is most familiar with the west.
also, everything i say is pretty much accepted as FACT in all academic circles all over the world. proving something that everyone already knows, isn't really proving imo. |
So it's a fact that Attilla's pure bloodline can be teaced back to Mongolia? 
Looks East Asian? What does that even mean? So Ghengis Khan looked Japanese?
Mongolia is not East Asia! |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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well, i think that paulina porizkova would be perfect for the part of princess Honoria
Attila the Hun should be played by.... hmm... lets see.
one of these guys.
it'll be better than braveheart! and its based on a true story! |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Just come clean just another day. You have a hard on for white women.
It's all good. I have no problem with that.
But I do find it kind of strange that you, a strong Korean nationalist like yourself, is so infactuated with caucasian females. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:10 am Post subject: |
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It could very well be, that Attila rescued Honoria after defeating the western Roman empire, and then lived happily ever after.
but from the perspective of Attila, he basically started a war over the love of a woman. its similiar to the story in Braveheart.
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It could also very well be that aliens swooped down and rescued Honoria and took her off to be the Empress of Venus. It isn't likely, but it could be. It has as much credibility as your fiction.
"happily ever after" was only about 3 more years. Attila kicked the bucket very soon after the events under discussion. His heyday was over.
And I see you skipped over Gibbons' part about using Honoria as an excuse, after first spurning the idea.
BTW, the part in Braveheart about him meeting the Queen is fiction. Just as your blathering about Attila and Honoria being in love is fiction. |
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