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mack4289
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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I've been surprised to see the JA Daily, which is normally a sensible paper, run editorials on Aug 1st, 3rd and 9th calling for some kind of quiet deal with the Taliban. It seems that none of them considered that it doesn't matter if we know the deal happened, the important thing is the Taliban knows and will spread the word in Afghanistan, making other kidnappings more likely.
It's obviously very sad for the hostages and their families but if you go to do any kind of work in Afghanistan, you should know that it's very dangerous and shouldn't expect any lives to be risked or ransom to be paid to free you from kidnappers. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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I wonder how many bombs and bullets the Taliban will buy with it. |
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The Great Toad
Joined: 12 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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You know you may have a point there...
ok... I think it is fine to teach songs to children who come to a meeting as in the later part of the clip but I'd hope the guys had explained the meaning of the song a bit beforehand. however, if and that IF is big - if the girls in the first part of the movie had NO CLUE what they were saying I think it is not a worthwhile teaching... On the other hand if the Koreans had a translator who previously explained the exact message and they just wanted the kids to repeat it with the Koreans again then it would be worthwhile... The question is whether or not the girls really new what they were repeating...
I could go into my class here in Taiwan and teach the children to repeat, "Formosa is subservient to all other nations because they are evil drivers." and you know they would not believe or begin to utter the sentence if they said if they realized what they were saying... |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| The Great Toad wrote: |
You know you may have a point there...
ok... I think it is fine to teach songs to children who come to a meeting as in the later part of the clip but I'd hope the guys had explained the meaning of the song a bit beforehand. however, if and that IF is big - if the girls in the first part of the movie had NO CLUE what they were saying I think it is not a worthwhile teaching... On the other hand if the Koreans had a translator who previously explained the exact message and they just wanted the kids to repeat it with the Koreans again then it would be worthwhile... The question is whether or not the girls really new what they were repeating...
I could go into my class here in Taiwan and teach the children to repeat, "Formosa is subservient to all other nations because they are evil drivers." and you know they would not believe or begin to utter the sentence if they said if they realized what they were saying... |
Dude, you gotta stay off the dugs.
I don't know how your an English teacher. Your writing style is horrible.
You're all over the place and this it not only limited to this post.
Quit posting high man! |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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The remaining hostages might be released.
http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_international/231741.html
Saudi Arabia might work as a go-between.
One blog has a good post about it. He figures that:
a) The Saudis will help the Koreans launder the ransom money, and
b) The hostages will be released during Ramadan, around September 13, supposedly as a "goodwill gesture," but really to hide the fact that they're common thieves and thugs more than "mujahadeen" ("holy warriors"). |
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prettyinscarlet777
Joined: 29 May 2007
Location: masan
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Of course they were missionaries. They shouldn't pretend they weren't. If God called them over to Afghanistan to spread the gospel and they die for it, that's called martydom. This life is temporary; you never know whether you will die by the sword in another country or get hit by a bus tomorrow or live until you are 98. The important thing is knowing where you are going when you die. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| prettyinscarlet777 wrote: |
| Of course they were missionaries. They shouldn't pretend they weren't. If God called them over to Afghanistan to spread the gospel and they die for it, that's called martydom. This life is temporary; you never know whether you will die by the sword in another country or get hit by a bus tomorrow or live until you are 98. The important thing is knowing where you are going when you die. |
Ahh, no sorry, I would call that stupidity. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| prettyinscarlet777 wrote: |
| The important thing is knowing where you are going when you die. |
Then why waste time on this pale blue dot and get your ass to heaven?
Then again if this is the only life I get why am I wasting precious moments on Dave's and teaching English to the ungrateful masses . |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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As soon as I heard the Saudis are involved, I suspected this as well.
The Taliban needs a third party to launder the money through and the Korean side doesn't care anything about the principles or ethics of funding terrorists. Perhaps it could even be a face-saving method for the Afghan government who would like the whole situation to go away without having to appear weak by caving into the Taliban's demands. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| bosintang wrote: |
As soon as I heard the Saudis are involved, I suspected this as well.
The Taliban needs a third party to launder the money through and the Korean side doesn't care anything about the principles or ethics of funding terrorists. Perhaps it could even be a face-saving method for the Afghan government who would like the whole situation to go away without having to appear weak by caving into the Taliban's demands. |
The only people who'd lose out on this deal would be the two executed hostages and the Afghan civilians and soldiers who will be killed by the arms that the Taliban will buy with the ransom money.
Here's something that really sticks in my craw:
Before:
A: Why are they going to Afghanistan?
B: Because they love the Afghan people. They sympathize with their plight and want to help them.
Now:
A: Give the Taliban money so we can get our hostages back.
B: But if we do that, the Taliban will buy arms and use them to kill Afghan civilians.
A: Who cares about the Afghans?! Just give the Taliban money! |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Troll_Bait wrote: |
The only people who'd lose out on this deal would be the two executed hostages and the Afghan civilians and soldiers who will be killed by the arms that the Taliban will buy with the ransom money.
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And the Korean taxpayer, I suppose, who will be footing the non-trivial ransom amount.
| Troll_Bait wrote: |
Before:
A: Why are they going to Afghanistan?
B: Because they love the Afghan people. They sympathize with their plight and want to help them.
Now:
A: Give the Taliban money so we can get our hostages back.
B: But if we do that, the Taliban will buy arms and use them to kill Afghan civilians.
A: Who cares about the Afghans?! Just give the Taliban money! |
I really think this whole situation has highlighted the immaturity of Korea's foreign policy. Very ugly all-around. |
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mack4289
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| Troll_Bait wrote: |
| bosintang wrote: |
As soon as I heard the Saudis are involved, I suspected this as well.
The Taliban needs a third party to launder the money through and the Korean side doesn't care anything about the principles or ethics of funding terrorists. Perhaps it could even be a face-saving method for the Afghan government who would like the whole situation to go away without having to appear weak by caving into the Taliban's demands. |
The only people who'd lose out on this deal would be the two executed hostages and the Afghan civilians and soldiers who will be killed by the arms that the Taliban will buy with the ransom money.
Here's something that really sticks in my craw:
Before:
A: Why are they going to Afghanistan?
B: Because they love the Afghan people. They sympathize with their plight and want to help them.
Now:
A: Give the Taliban money so we can get our hostages back.
B: But if we do that, the Taliban will buy arms and use them to kill Afghan civilians.
A: Who cares about the Afghans?! Just give the Taliban money! |
Even if the media never reports it because they can't get proof that there was a payoff, the Taliban will know and they will tell people. Anyone who doesn't want to see Taliban kidnappings encouraged and the strength and credibility of the civilized world harmed is a loser in this (assuming there really is a payoff- and what other explanation could there be?). |
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jeffkim1972
Joined: 10 Jan 2007
Location: Mokpo
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: |
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I don't think they have a foreign policy. In the political sense.
1) They are just following the US around.
2) Get their Chaebol's into foreign markets.
Hardly anyone has an independent political mind here. Maybe because i'm living in Mokpo, but i'm still waiting to have a decent conversation about international politics with a native Korean. They have such a naive view of the world.
Koreans want to be global, but they don't learn anything about the world.
Learning about American celebrities is their foreign history and current events. |
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