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I-am-me

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Hermit Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: Who needs degrees!!! |
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Hip-hop singer Hyun Jin-young will soon begin teaching at a professional music academy. Hyun had previously received numerous offers from universities and academies as a professor, but turned them down
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Why not just hire snoop dog? With all the focus on professors faking their degrees, this music academy decided someone without a degree in music would be perfect to teach their students. What are koreans thinking?
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/special/2007/08/178_9074.html |
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Bondgirl

Joined: 26 May 2007 Location: in my Aston Martin
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Well,I disagree- I HAVE got a degree in music, and a secondary school teaching diploma, and I sure as hell wouldn't hire me (even as a primary school music teacher) if I were that director. Good on him for having some courage and stating the truth:
``What teachers need is skill and experience that can guide students to better places, not mere certificates that do not guarantee the true ability of those guiding students,�� the director of the academy said. He said Hyun is excited to share all his techniques with his pupils and the know-how he earned from his 26 years of experience in the music industry".
Diplomas etc have their place, but they don't qualify a person as a fine teacher of music. A fine teacher of music is an accomplished musician with a talent for teaching. My music profs were all withered old men who had long ago given up actual musicianship and were just sitting on the staff until their tenure ended, torturing us and wasting our fees and ultimately leaving us with useless degrees.
Musicians must make music, not quote theory or rehash what everyone else has already done. Actually, I did have one prof who said on our first day 'Now, you understand that you are all about to start a completely useless course which will qualify you to do nothing more than pack fruit? And it is not too late to withdraw and get refunded? It will last at least 3 years...Very well..... now J.S.Bach....etc..." |
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I-am-me

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Hermit Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| Actually, I did have one prof who said on our first day 'Now, you understand that you are all about to start a completely useless course which will qualify you to do nothing more than pack fruit? And it is not too late to withdraw and get refunded? |
You should have taken his advice. So basically you can get a good music education from reading Rolling Stone magazine?  |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Who needs degrees!!! |
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Hip-hop singer Hyun Jin-young will soon begin teaching at a professional music academy. Hyun had previously received numerous offers from universities and academies as a professor, but turned them down
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Why not just hire snoop dog? With all the focus on professors faking their degrees, this music academy decided someone without a degree in music would be perfect to teach their students. What are koreans thinking?
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/special/2007/08/178_9074.html |
Good point. I know if I was running a music school I'd turn down this guy's application on the spot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Zappa
Here's another guy that totally should have hit the books instead of making albums:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Patton |
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wo buxihuan hanguoren

Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Location: Suyuskis
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Man, all my years of school, and my uni degree, and what did I learn that would give me actual life skills?
Best to be a junkie I say; one learns more that way. I am not even joking, how sad is that? |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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I envy those who pursued a music degree so good on you. Next week I'm moving to Oklahoma to set up my recording studio(a day's travel by car to Nashville) so I really admire those of you who stuck to their guns and didn't defer to a so-called intelligent choice of degree.
One school I belonged to was called the School of Creative Musicianship which required an audition and was modelled after the Guitar Institute at Berkley. Top session musos were the teachers and a breakroom called the Jam Kitchen(coffee and jammin) was where students hung out between classes. It was always interesting to hear lectures from industry execs. and advice from other students which made for a really supportive environment. All in all a great repository of practical advice for getting from A to B without the bs.
I think the logic for hiring a working profesional is sound. I have yet to read a book about the "reality" of survival and success in such a cut-throat industry. Great move. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| What's he going to do when a student asks him if he thinks an augmeted 5th would be better than a minor 7th in this piece of music? |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: Who needs degrees!!! |
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Don't even try to compare the two situations. You're giving links to ARTISTS. People who actually have a talent beyond being placed in front of a camera and told to perform like a monkey.
I'm not gonna say I know anything about Hyun Jin-young, but if he's anything like his Korean pop colleagues, he was picked out at an audition by a company and then manufactured into a star. It's the same as saying Britney Spears is somehow qualifed to teach music. Just cause you're a famous performer doesn't mean you know jack about music. Unless he's teaching classes like, "how to be a big star 101" or "reading the lyrics your manager gives you when you get to the studio 220", I fail to see how he's qualfied to teach music.
Oh, and Zappa is rolling in his grave... I hope you're happy. You better pray Patton doesn't get wind of the people you're comparing him to, else he might fly over here and physically make his displeasure known to you. |
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I-am-me

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Hermit Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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The truth of the matter is a "superstar" was hired to increase enrollment. All the girls and some boys will flock to enroll so they can sit googlie eyed in front of him.  |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: Who needs degrees!!! |
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Don't even try to compare the two situations. |
Calm down, it's called citing an extreme example to prove a point. I don't think Hyeon Jin-yeong (don't even know who he is, to be honest) is the next Mike Patton. |
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