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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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Could you provide some info on the alleged fake video then? All I could find in a google was stuff about videos from 2001 and 2004, but Margolis says that the video he's talking about surfaced in 2002.
And for what it's worth: if you acknowledge that someone could fake an audio recording, it shouldn't be too implausible to imagine that they could also fake a video. Not saying that that is what happened, just that believing it happened does not automatically put you into IGTG territory.
And for what it's worth:
If Rense's point was that the guy on the left does not look like the guy on the right, I agree. He doesn't. Not neccessarily proof of a fake, though, since OBL could change his appearance. |
What kind of info? Showing that it isn't a fake? I have that too.
Just tell me what is needed, and I will show that .
but anyway this is the video in question.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/13/ret.bin.laden.videotape/
The video was found in 2001 and not 2002 (wrong again Margolis ) but it is the video where Bin Laden brags about the attacks.
Aslo for the second audio recording it was Al Qaeda who faked it (if it was faked) cause they had an interest is showing that Bin Laden was okay.
The US government would have little interest in showing that Bin Laden was okay. |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| Could you provide some info on the alleged fake video then? All I could find in a google was stuff about videos from 2001 and 2004, but Margolis says that the video he's talking about surfaced in 2002. |
The "fat bin Laden" tape has been explained here:
http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id372.html
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| Basically, the reason why Osama bin Laden looks fat in the video, and in some frames particularly fat, is because of the camera angle, shadowing and lighting, and the fact that the PAL to NTSC conversion squashed the vertical by 17 percent while the horizontal proportion remained the same as the original. |
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Dome Vans
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rchives > September 09, 2003
THE TRUTH ABOUT 9/11
Two years after the Sept 9 suicide attacks on the United States, this earthshaking event remains clouded by mystery and misunderstanding.
Was al-Qaida behind the operation. Most likely, but not for certain. Secretary of State Colin Powell promised a white paper proving al-Qaida�s guilt. It never came. A tape that surfaced in 2002, purporting to show Osama bin Laden gleefully chortling over the attacks, was a fake.
The 9/11 attacks were planned in Germany and Spain, not Afghanistan, by young men, mostly Saudis, who were educated and westernized.
Afghanistan�s Taliban regime, until four months before 9/11 a recipient of US aid, had nothing to do with the attacks, but did provide a base for al-Qaida, which numbered only 300 members.
Most of the �thousands of terrorists� in Afghanistan cited by the US were actually independence-fighters from neighboring Central Asia. Taliban refused to hand bin Laden, a national hero of the 1980�s anti-Soviet war, to the US without proof of his guilt in 9/11, which the US declined to provide.
9/11 allowed far right neo-conservatives, some borderline neo-fascists, to seize control of US national security policy. They immediately launched the invasion of Afghanistan and began preparing war against Iraq. We now know both invasions, intended to seize major oil regions, were planned long before 9/11.
President George Bush was widely regarded pre-9/11 as a hapless, rather comical figure enmeshed in the Enron scandal. The savage assaults transformed him into a savior on a white horse, bathed in fulsome praise by the fawning American media.
The Bush Administration created a firestorm of war fever and national hysteria that quickly obscured its failure to protect the nation from an attack that Mideast observers, including this column, had predicted was coming.
Bush declared a war on terrorism and dispatched US armed forces to attack Muslim mischief-makers around the globe. This, however, was not a real war, but rather a police action against disparate bands of violent anti-American extremists determined to drive US political and economic influence from their lands, and aid the struggle in Palestine.
Declaring war on terrorism made no more sense than declaring war on evil.
Few Americans understand their nation became a modern imperial power after World War II, or that it had recreated in the Mideast a modern version of the British Empire � the American Raj. Most were simply unaware, or uncaring, that their governments had been overthrowing regimes, assassinating foreign leaders, promoting dictatorships, and waging undeclared wars on foreign nations since the late 1940�s.
Fewer understood the US was de facto ruler of Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, the Gulf states, and overlord of Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Washington kept highly repressive feudal or military dictatorships in power in all these nations that advanced Washington�s strategic interests and brutally crushed all opponents.
Most Americans were unaware that Israel was fighting Palestinians with US-supplied arms, financed by US taxpayers, or that in the eyes of most Mideasterners, and all extremists, Israel and the United States had become indistinguishable.
Osama bin-Laden kept tirelessly repeating this theme, calling for revolution against the American Mideast Raj and its Arab vassal rulers. That, far more than truck bombs, was bin Laden�s real threat to US interests.
The US government unwisely chose to try to suppress bin Laden�s statements by intimidating the media, particularly al-Jazeera, whose offices in Baghdad, Kabul and Basra were bombed by US forces.
Excerpts from bin Laden�s speeches made him look a hero in the Muslim World; the full texts, which went unpublished, showed bin Laden at his most fanatical and dangerous.
Interestingly, Bin Laden recently predicted he will shortly die a martyr.
The ghastly 9/11 attacks were what Imperial Britain called the �cost of empire.� Angry, fanatical natives would strike back, using any means to punish the high-tech empire seeking to rule them. Britain had Maxim guns; America, terrifying B-52�s.
Bush�s knee-jerk military response to essentially political problems, an historic blunder, has left the US mired in deepening guerilla wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, costing over US $7 billion monthly and growing numbers of American casualties.
Heavy bombing of Afghanistan prior to 9/11, what ever-wrongheaded neo-cons say should have been done, would not have prevented 9/11. Having alert security guards at Boston airport instead of gum-chewing dolts would have.
9/11 might have been averted by proper coordination between FBI and CIA, and if Bush�s astoundingly inept national security staff had done its job. Instead, Attorney General John Ashcroft, today the self-appointed scourge of Muslim malefactors, actually cut anti-terrorism spending just before 9/11.
Nothing can excuse the sickening barbarity of the 9/11 attacks. But nothing should excuse America�s pre-attack delusions of Olympian immunity from the ills of the outside world, some caused by US policies.
Nor America�s casual indifference to the death of 500,000 Iraqi children caused by a cruel US-imposed embargo, nor the bulldozing of Palestinian shanty towns, without realizing that at some point enraged recipients of US geo-strategic discipline would bite back.
Nor the risk of aircraft attacks. This writer was aboard a hijacked Lufthansa A310 in 1993 when the air pirate warned the FBI he would crash the jumbo jet into New York�s Wall Street.
All the flag-waving and heart-rending survivor interviews that will mark this week�s 9/11 anniversary should not � but, of course, will � obscure the painful truth: the faux-macho Bush Administration was asleep while on guard; it refuses to accept responsibility for its dereliction of duty; and continues to persistently misled Americans about the real causes of 9/11. |
Joo, this is the most accurate thing you've ever posted well done.
This guy is excellent, I can't believe I hadn't heard of him before. The last paragraph really smacks home the home truth about 9/11. It's a shame in your blinkered neo-con shades that you can't believe or see it as well.
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| It is something that I can not prove but something that I am personally sure of. |
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| anyone can see it if they are looking for it. |
Hold on, yeh, I can see it. It's called sense and truth maybe you should reread it and learn some brutal truths about your glorious, corrupt, lying nation.
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| I have been waiting to get this F*ck for a while. |
Because he's informing people about the truth, even the other posters on this thread are not wholley with you on this. Only you think that this well read, researched, respected journalist is now 'an enemy of the state'. Sad really. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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rchives > September 09, 2003
THE TRUTH ABOUT 9/11
Two years after the Sept 9 suicide attacks on the United States, this earthshaking event remains clouded by mystery and misunderstanding.
Was al-Qaida behind the operation. Most likely, but not for certain. Secretary of State Colin Powell promised a white paper proving al-Qaida�s guilt. It never came. A tape that surfaced in 2002, purporting to show Osama bin Laden gleefully chortling over the attacks, was a fake.
The 9/11 attacks were planned in Germany and Spain, not Afghanistan, by young men, mostly Saudis, who were educated and westernized.
Afghanistan�s Taliban regime, until four months before 9/11 a recipient of US aid, had nothing to do with the attacks, but did provide a base for al-Qaida, which numbered only 300 members.
Most of the �thousands of terrorists� in Afghanistan cited by the US were actually independence-fighters from neighboring Central Asia. Taliban refused to hand bin Laden, a national hero of the 1980�s anti-Soviet war, to the US without proof of his guilt in 9/11, which the US declined to provide.
9/11 allowed far right neo-conservatives, some borderline neo-fascists, to seize control of US national security policy. They immediately launched the invasion of Afghanistan and began preparing war against Iraq. We now know both invasions, intended to seize major oil regions, were planned long before 9/11.
President George Bush was widely regarded pre-9/11 as a hapless, rather comical figure enmeshed in the Enron scandal. The savage assaults transformed him into a savior on a white horse, bathed in fulsome praise by the fawning American media.
The Bush Administration created a firestorm of war fever and national hysteria that quickly obscured its failure to protect the nation from an attack that Mideast observers, including this column, had predicted was coming.
Bush declared a war on terrorism and dispatched US armed forces to attack Muslim mischief-makers around the globe. This, however, was not a real war, but rather a police action against disparate bands of violent anti-American extremists determined to drive US political and economic influence from their lands, and aid the struggle in Palestine.
Declaring war on terrorism made no more sense than declaring war on evil.
Few Americans understand their nation became a modern imperial power after World War II, or that it had recreated in the Mideast a modern version of the British Empire � the American Raj. Most were simply unaware, or uncaring, that their governments had been overthrowing regimes, assassinating foreign leaders, promoting dictatorships, and waging undeclared wars on foreign nations since the late 1940�s.
Fewer understood the US was de facto ruler of Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, the Gulf states, and overlord of Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Washington kept highly repressive feudal or military dictatorships in power in all these nations that advanced Washington�s strategic interests and brutally crushed all opponents.
Most Americans were unaware that Israel was fighting Palestinians with US-supplied arms, financed by US taxpayers, or that in the eyes of most Mideasterners, and all extremists, Israel and the United States had become indistinguishable.
Osama bin-Laden kept tirelessly repeating this theme, calling for revolution against the American Mideast Raj and its Arab vassal rulers. That, far more than truck bombs, was bin Laden�s real threat to US interests.
The US government unwisely chose to try to suppress bin Laden�s statements by intimidating the media, particularly al-Jazeera, whose offices in Baghdad, Kabul and Basra were bombed by US forces.
Excerpts from bin Laden�s speeches made him look a hero in the Muslim World; the full texts, which went unpublished, showed bin Laden at his most fanatical and dangerous.
Interestingly, Bin Laden recently predicted he will shortly die a martyr.
The ghastly 9/11 attacks were what Imperial Britain called the �cost of empire.� Angry, fanatical natives would strike back, using any means to punish the high-tech empire seeking to rule them. Britain had Maxim guns; America, terrifying B-52�s.
Bush�s knee-jerk military response to essentially political problems, an historic blunder, has left the US mired in deepening guerilla wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, costing over US $7 billion monthly and growing numbers of American casualties.
Heavy bombing of Afghanistan prior to 9/11, what ever-wrongheaded neo-cons say should have been done, would not have prevented 9/11. Having alert security guards at Boston airport instead of gum-chewing dolts would have.
9/11 might have been averted by proper coordination between FBI and CIA, and if Bush�s astoundingly inept national security staff had done its job. Instead, Attorney General John Ashcroft, today the self-appointed scourge of Muslim malefactors, actually cut anti-terrorism spending just before 9/11.
Nothing can excuse the sickening barbarity of the 9/11 attacks. But nothing should excuse America�s pre-attack delusions of Olympian immunity from the ills of the outside world, some caused by US policies.
Nor America�s casual indifference to the death of 500,000 Iraqi children caused by a cruel US-imposed embargo, nor the bulldozing of Palestinian shanty towns, without realizing that at some point enraged recipients of US geo-strategic discipline would bite back.
Nor the risk of aircraft attacks. This writer was aboard a hijacked Lufthansa A310 in 1993 when the air pirate warned the FBI he would crash the jumbo jet into New York�s Wall Street.
All the flag-waving and heart-rending survivor interviews that will mark this week�s 9/11 anniversary should not � but, of course, will � obscure the painful truth: the faux-macho Bush Administration was asleep while on guard; it refuses to accept responsibility for its dereliction of duty; and continues to persistently misled Americans about the real causes of 9/11. |
Joo, this is the most accurate thing you've ever posted well done.
This guy is excellent, I can't believe I hadn't heard of him before. The last paragraph really smacks home the home truth about 9/11. It's a shame in your blinkered neo-con shades that you can't believe or see it as well.
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| It is something that I can not prove but something that I am personally sure of. |
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| anyone can see it if they are looking for it. |
Hold on, yeh, I can see it. It's called sense and truth maybe you should reread it and learn some brutal truths about your glorious, corrupt, lying nation.
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| I have been waiting to get this F*ck for a while. |
Because he's informing people about the truth, even the other posters on this thread are not wholley with you on this. Only you think that this well read, researched, respected journalist is now 'an enemy of the state'. Sad really. |
You don't know the difference between necessary and sufficient.
Destroying Israel is necessary for Al Qaeda but it is not sufficient for them.
Al Qaeda fights for the Caliphate. Even Jason Burke of the Observer wrote that.
No wonder you like him he is a moonbat like you.
My nation is one of the most free tolerent and generous nations on the planet. While you side with the greatest human rights violators on the planet cause you resent and hate the US.
The US has all the right enemies including you.
Besides you **** Al Qaida was planning 9-11 when most around the world thought that the Palestinian and the Israeli side were going to come to an agreement.
Of course Bin Laden was a mass killer of Muslims himself. What religion was the Northern alliance.
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Eric Margolis has some nerve to say this
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Since Eric Margolis himself is and was a Taliban apologist who was downplaying the threat by Bin Laden and Al Qaeda before 9-11. See the first article on this thread.
Well what can you say Eric Margolis in addition to not having his facts straight and making up conspiracy theories also has no class. |
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