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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:48 am Post subject: Taliban agree to free S. Korean hostages |
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Taliban agree to free S. Korean hostages
AMIR SHAH, Associated Press Writer 22 minutes ago
GHAZNI, Afghanistan - The Taliban agreed Tuesday to free 19 South Korean church volunteers held hostage since July after the government in Seoul pledged to end all missionary work and keep a promise to withdraw its troops from Afghanistan by the end of the year.
In eastern Afghanistan, a suicide bomber attacked NATO troops helping build a bridge, killing three soldiers.
The Taliban originally seized 23 South Koreans, but have since killed two of the hostages and released two others. They had initially demanded the withdrawal of South Korean troops from the country and the release of prisoners in exchange for freeing the hostages, but Afghan officials had ruled out any exchange, saying it would only encourage further kidnappings.
Qari Yousef Ahmadi, a Taliban spokesman, said South Korean and Taliban delegates at face-to-face talks Tuesday in the central town of Ghazni had "reached an agreement" to free the captives.
South Korean presidential spokesman Cheon Ho-sun said the deal had been reached "on the condition that South Korea withdraws troops by the end of year and South Korea suspends missionary work in Afghanistan," he said.
South Korea has already said it planned to withdraw its troops by the end of the year. Some 200 South Korean soldiers have been deployed in Afghanistan for reconstruction efforts, not combat.
"We welcome the agreement to release 19 South Koreans," said Cheon.
South Korean missionaries have been active in Afghanistan, although the hostage group's church has said those kidnapped were not missionaries, but were doing aid work.
There was no word on when the captives would be released.
Tuesday's agreement came after face-to-face talks between both sides in the central town of Ghazni. It was the fourth time the two sides had held direct negotiations. All the talks had been mediated by representatives of the International Committee of the Red Cross.
Abductions have become a key insurgent tactic in recent months in trying to destabilize the country, targeting both Afghan officials and foreigners helping with reconstruction. A German engineer and four Afghan colleagues kidnapped a day before the South Koreans are still being held.
Violence in Afghanistan is running at its highest level since the Taliban ouster.
The suicide bomber approached the troops building a bridge in eastern Afghanistan on Tuesday, killing three soldiers and wounding six, NATO said. The alliance did not disclose the nationalities of the victims or the exact location of the blast. Most foreign troops in the east of the country are American.
U.S.-led coalition and Afghan troops, meanwhile, killed up to 21 suspected Taliban militants in three separate clashes in southern Afghanistan, and a roadside blast killed four Afghan soldiers in the east, officials said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070828/ap_on_re_as/afghanistan |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: |
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I'm surprised there is no reaction to this on this board.
Momentous decision, no?
I also didn't realise the korean govt had the authority to stop its citizens venturing into afghanistan for whatever reason. Surely its up to the afghans to stop foreign nationals entering their country?
also i notice one of the hostages volunteered to stay behind so that one of her friends could be released instead. Thats pretty brave. |
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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: |
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nautilus wrote: |
I'm surprised there is no reaction to this on this board.
Momentous decision, no?
I also didn't realise the korean govt had the authority to stop its citizens venturing into afghanistan for whatever reason. Surely its up to the afghans to stop foreign nationals entering their country?
also i notice one of the hostages volunteered to stay behind so that one of her friends could be released instead. Thats pretty brave. |
I'm surprised too...
So is the fickle nature of Dave's... |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Topic fatigue, perhaps?
Good news, nonetheless. Although I am curious what kind of deal was struck which the general public isn't supposed to know about. Taliban just get tired of looking at them? Seems they gave in without getting much in return, if you believe the official story. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:54 am Post subject: |
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I also didn't realise the korean govt had the authority to stop its citizens venturing into afghanistan for whatever reason. Surely its up to the afghans to stop foreign nationals entering their country?
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Well, I would imagine they do have that authority. Heck, some governments ban their citizens from leaving the country at all. And isn't it illegal, under American law, for Americans to travel to Cuba?
But I think the only way the Korean government could enforce the ban is by pressing criminal charges against anyone who breaks it. |
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Masta_Don

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:15 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote: |
Well, I would imagine they do have that authority. Heck, some governments ban their citizens from leaving the country at all. And isn't it illegal, under American law, for Americans to travel to Cuba?
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It's illegal for an American to spend money in Cuba, not go. Has the same effect tho.
Too bad they didn't all get their just desserts for spreading cultural imperialism. Especially at such a stupid time. Would have set a good precedent for others trying to take advantage of war torn people. |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:53 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote: |
isn't it illegal, under American law, for Americans to travel to Cuba? . |
Lastt I heard. As an American, I also can't make the 5-hour drive it would take me to get to Pyeongyang by car. (Of course, I don't know anyone else who caneither ...)
The price of freedom = I can't go places my govt decided aren't free. |
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Vicissitude

Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Location: Chef School
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Masta_Don wrote: |
On the other hand wrote: |
Well, I would imagine they do have that authority. Heck, some governments ban their citizens from leaving the country at all. And isn't it illegal, under American law, for Americans to travel to Cuba?
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It's illegal for an American to spend money in Cuba, not go. Has the same effect tho. |
Do you have an official link on that?
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Too bad they didn't all get their just desserts for spreading cultural imperialism. Especially at such a stupid time. Would have set a good precedent for others trying to take advantage of war torn people. |
What are you talking about? |
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Vicissitude

Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Location: Chef School
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:32 am Post subject: |
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The Bobster wrote: |
On the other hand wrote: |
isn't it illegal, under American law, for Americans to travel to Cuba? . |
Lastt I heard. As an American, I also can't make the 5-hour drive it would take me to get to Pyeongyang by car. (Of course, I don't know anyone else who caneither ...)
The price of freedom = I can't go places my govt decided aren't free. |
If you really want to go there, I'm sure you could figure something out. Last weekend, I saw a show on the Discovery Channel about a Brit. who's been organizing tour groups there for about a decade. He's been to N. Korea more times than any other foreigner on earth. The guy claims he can film anything and go anywhere he wants and his documentary film will be out very soon, if not already. He insists that the N. Koreans are super friendly! Actually, I had N. Korean students and I also worked for N. Koreans. Come to think of it, yeah, they were actually quite friendly. Perhaps the South Koreans could learn something from the N. Koreans. |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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He insists that the N. Koreans are super friendly! Actually, I had N. Korean students and I also worked for N. Koreans. Come to think of it, yeah, they were actually quite friendly. Perhaps the South Koreans could learn something from the N. Koreans |
It's really funny how that works. I can tell you that hands down the most polite and kind students I ever had, while I was teaching in North America, were middle easterners. Iranians in particular stood out as being unbelievably kind and hospitable. My Kurdish students were a very very close second. |
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Masta_Don

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Vicissitude wrote: |
Masta_Don wrote: |
On the other hand wrote: |
Well, I would imagine they do have that authority. Heck, some governments ban their citizens from leaving the country at all. And isn't it illegal, under American law, for Americans to travel to Cuba?
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It's illegal for an American to spend money in Cuba, not go. Has the same effect tho. |
Do you have an official link on that? |
Official, no. Wikipedia tho.
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The restrictions on U.S. citizens traveling to Cuba lapsed on March 19, 1977; the regulation was renewable every six months, but President Jimmy Carter did not renew it and the regulation on spending U.S. dollars in Cuba was lifted shortly afterwards. President Ronald Reagan reinstated the trade embargo on April 19, 1982. This has been modified subsequently with the present regulation, effective June 30, 2004,[3] being the Cuban Assets Control Regulations, 31 C.F.R. part 515.[4] The current regulation does not limit travel of US Citizens to Cuba per se, but it makes it illegal for US Citizens to have transactions (spend money or receive gifts) in Cuba under most circumstances without a US government Office of Foreign Assets Control issued license[3]. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_embargo_against_Cuba
Vicissitude wrote: |
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Too bad they didn't all get their just desserts for spreading cultural imperialism. Especially at such a stupid time. Would have set a good precedent for others trying to take advantage of war torn people. |
What are you talking about? |
I was just trying to express my disgust at missionaries. Especially these, with what they were doing and all. If they never came back it wouldn't have broken my heart. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Absolute crap. So a for a few people Korea is now caving into demands of terrorists? Its not like they were abducted in Europe or Turkey. They went to AFGHANISTAN. They went to the most DANGEROUS parts of Afghanistan. They defied not only SK's ban on travel to Afghanistan, they also defied safety by never chencking in with the Afghani officials. They knew the risks, they took photos posing by a government warning about travel to Afghanistan. These idiots deserved no help. Does nobody see the fundamental problem here? Its absolutely the same problem that the summit with NK poses. A lame duck president with sub 20% approval ratings is now going to reach deals that will bind the hands of the new administration. Did Korea plan to get troops out of Afghanistan at the end of the year? Thats irrelevent. The relevent thing here is that a deal was reached that will bind the next administration. Same thing with the summit, where Roh has no business meeting with KJI and making deals that the next administration will be forced to keep.
In plain words the SK government just bent over and yielded to demands of a bunch of terrorists. It is now open season on all SK nationals in other countries. Afterall, SK deals with terrorists and yields to their demands. |
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twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Location: Getting some fresh air...
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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No, Jinju. This is a stupid argument you have made.
Terrorists have and always will target anyone not them. The open season has always been there, on all of us, and this will not do anything to increase nor decrease the chances of kidnapping happening. They will always take whatever opportunity they can.
Most human beings don't deal with the world like it's a dick-waving contest. (ie: non-conservatives) They did what they needed to do to bring their citizens home safe. That should be the priority of every nation.
The real argument should be why they didn't take steps to keep this from happening in the first place. And those responsible for it should face the consequences. |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Coquitlam, BC
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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I guess that it just goes to show that the love love of money is the root of all circumstances. I'm wondering why they don't announce how much money it cost to set them free?! In addition, is their $uper-church going to flip the bill? I certainly don't think the tax-payer should have to pay for a bunch of missionaries total stupidity! |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Well, South Korea has now managed to do two things:
1. Give financial support, along with an air of "legitimacy" in the sense of being a government, to a bunch of terrorists.
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2. Showing the government of Afghanistan that it has no control in its own land. |
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