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Dome Vans
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 Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| That or stubbornly putting your head in the sand and refusing to see the politics of these films. |
In the same way that most of the baddies are Russian, Muslim, German etc. If you are stupid enough to watch these movies enough then you might start believing that all these people are evil. It affects the subconscious.
U 571 - Perfect example of a pro american film that has tried to rewrite history. The US did not stumble upon the Enigma machine and win the war. Check the history books.
With other conflict movies they are mainly pro american. Rambo, (one american guy going to Vietnam and opening a can of whoop ass). We were Soldiers, sickly romantic view of the vietnam war. Same with pearl harbour, let's make up a love story to soften the impact of such a prominent historical moment. People associate with romance and the not the subject.
Films that are anti american, get rubbished, aren't shown or don't get funding because they're not for the greater good. So much for freedom of speech.
For the record I loved Team America, can see how yanks would love it, but also how anti-america viewers would see how the americans really are. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| For the record most of the time the enemies of the US have been bad guys. It's the truth. |
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Alias
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Hollywood should be controlled by the government.  |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Hollywood should be controlled by the government. |
Lol, very good.
24, V popular sold to cable channels world wide, has been slammed for it portrayal of Muslims. Exporting this negative image of muslims.
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"I do realise it's a multi-dimensional show that portrays extreme situations," said Sireen Sawaf from the Los Angeles-based Muslim Public Affairs Council.
"But I'm concerned about the image it ingrains in the minds of the American public and the American government, particularly when you have anti-Muslim statements spewing from the mouths of government officials."
"The overwhelming impression you get is fear and hatred for Muslims," said Rabiah Ahmed, a spokeswoman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
"After watching that show, I was afraid to go to the grocery store because I wasn't sure the person next to me would be able to differentiate between fiction and reality," she told the Associated Press news agency.
The council has raised concerns about the content of 24 in the past. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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I can see how Top Gun was aimed at least partly at the gay demographic, I don't see how it is pro-american. At least not pro american government.
As far as the Bourne movies I think it is a massive leap to say they are anti-american. What exactly does movie have to do to be anti-american? |
Dejuvu. If the movie is anti-Bush, it's anti-American. |
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twg
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: Hollywood's Latest Anti-US Post-9/11 Film |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Hollywood's Latest Anti-US Post-9/11 Film |
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| The end of the film shows how in the end the American system of checks and balances always works and defeats the corrupt beurocrats. |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| If the movie is anti-Bush, it's anti-American. |
Now why would a group of people who see no problem with the circumvention of those checks and balances in order to strengthen the powers of the president have a problem with a movie that champions those checks and balances?
Just another maneuver in the neo-con's War On America. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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So now anything or anyone who complains about government corruption
must be "ANTI-AMERICAN"!!!!!!!!!!
My God, next the whitehouse will be saying that...
Bush's turds are made from fresh milk chocolate... and you right-wing-lap-dog-butt-lickers will be right out there with your tongues hanging out, ready to lick 'em up.  |
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twg
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
| Bush's turds are made from fresh milk chocolate... and you right-wing-lap-dog-butt-lickers will be right out there with your tongues hanging out, ready to lick 'em up. |
And given what a bunch of sexual deviants his supporters are turning out to be, I wouldn't be surprised... |
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keane
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:26 am Post subject: Re: Hollywood's Latest Anti-US Post-9/11 Film |
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I wish I could say Bill O'Reilly was wrong about Paul Greengrass' Bourne Ultimatum being an anti-American film, but I saw it last weekend and O'Reilly's right. It's not just that the script plays on opposition to Bush anti-terror tactics--waterboarding, etc. Or that in a moment of calm hero Matt Damon utters maybe 15 of the 40 words he speaks in the film and explains that he's simply trying to apologize for ... well, the CIA's sins, or maybe America's. Just because you oppose waterboarding and believe the U.S. has a lot to apologize for doesn't make you anti-American. The problem is the film is unredeemed by any sense that America or the American government ever stands for or does anything that is right. It is a big hit overseas. ...
The film also made me feel guilty, because I watched Greengrass' United 93 and left convinced it was a searing indictment of Bush's behavior in the hours after 9/11. (Air controllers spend much of the film trying to locate the AWOL President so they can obtain an order to shoot down the hijacked jet.) I didn't know anything about Greengrass, and the film looked like it had been based on actual records by a meticulously dispassionate observer. But Greengrass' Bourne film undermines his credibility and retrospectively dissolves United 93's anti-Bush power. I don't trust anything the man makes. ... P.S.: Has Big Hollywood made a single non-anti-US post-9/11 film I missed? I can't remember one (aside from Team America: World Police, which was a self-mocking puppet cartoon).. ... And don't say World Trade Center. That passed up several potentially epic patriotic moments (e.g. the Dave Karnes story) in favor of a soggy tribute to the fraternity of New York transit cops. ... Next up: In the Valley of Elah, a well-made version of the Scott Beauchamp Story. ... Is it the international market that makes our studios behave this way? I sense an underserved domestic niche. ... |
http://www.slate.com/id/2172537/#gloat |
This is complete bullshit, Rhhee. The female lead in the movie is a ball-breaking woman in the CIA or NSA or some such who brings down the clandestine hit squad. To call it anything but a hit on Bush's policies is more neo-con apologetics.
C'mon. You used to be an honest actor here. I used to believe you were sincere, if a bit off the deep end. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Dome Vans wrote:
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24, V popular sold to cable channels world wide, has been slammed for it portrayal of Muslims. Exporting this negative image of muslims.
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Well, the rest of the world must have an interest in watching this negative stuff about Muslims, otherwise there would be no one for Hollywood to export it to.
I'll also add that I think it highly unlikely that Hollywood plays any significant role in forming the world's opinion of Muslims. Think about it. A billion or so Hindus live in India. Given the cultural makeup of that country, most Hindus probably have far more contact with Muslims than any American screenwriter does, and are unlikely to have their first-hand opinions swayed either way by Hollywood. The same cultural dymanic would probably apply in most of sub-Saharan Africa.
Then you've got China, with a billion people. Even if right-wing American action films ARE allowed to be shown there uncensored, I still somehow have to think that the authoritarian state does not indoctrinate its citizens into taking such star-spangled propaganda at face value.
Similarly, I can't imagine that people in the former USSR take everything that comes out of American pop culture as the gospel truth. Nor people in Latin America(yankee go home and all that.)
Then of course you've got a billion or so Muslims. Do you suppose they base their view of Islam on Hollywood's caricatures?
I guess this leaves us with continental Europe and the Commonwealth. If any of our Commonwealth bretheren want to come on here and argue that non-American westerners are so stupid that they take American cop shows as documentay realism, go right ahead.
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:42 am Post subject: |
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i saw bourne ultimatum at the hollywood premier. meaning i saw it before its official release.
the ending was good. pro-us, the definition can mean pro-people or pro government.
in the audience, everyone clapped at the end. |
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keane
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| The movie was great and... |
Joo: with this we can rest our case on the issue of the film's alleged antiAmericanist leanings. If it resonates with Octavius, then we need look no further... |
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| I must attack! Where is my explosives-laden straw man? Where? WHERE??? Jooooooooooo! Heeeeeeeelp meeeeeeeeee! |
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| Sounds like a combination of hype and axe-grinding to me. In retrospect, I picked up not a little self-righteousness in their tone. |
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