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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| I'd have to agree with Jinju on this one. What bunch of stupid morons would parade into the most dangerous, anti Christian nation in the world? |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| He insists that the N. Koreans are super friendly! Actually, I had N. Korean students and I also worked for N. Koreans. Come to think of it, yeah, they were actually quite friendly. Perhaps the South Koreans could learn something from the N. Koreans |
It's really funny how that works. I can tell you that hands down the most polite and kind students I ever had, while I was teaching in North America, were middle easterners. Iranians in particular stood out as being unbelievably kind and hospitable. My Kurdish students were a very very close second. |
Let's make a distinction between Arabs and those from Iran. Arabs are generally from the Middle East. Persians are from Iran, which is part of Asia. Arabs have been at war with Persians for thousands of years. I have many Arab friends and a few Persian. They don't like it when we westerners confuse Iran with the Middle East. To anyone who's ever worked in the Middle East, there is no debate. Iran is not considered part of the Middle East. Persians and Arabs do not share the same culture, history or religious practices. As for the Kurds, they are spread in pockets all over the world; Europe has a big population and so does Turkey. So it's really difficult to categorize them as "middle eastern." They aren't any more middle eastern than the small groups of Portugese settlers who've maintained their presence for over 500 years in various parts of the Gulf states.
I grew up with Arabs all my life. I've known many from all over the Middle East, Iraq especially. Many of them are Chaldean in my home community. It's amazing to me how many people don't even know what that means. They are Christian Arabs with a LONG independant history in the faith. Chaldeans are generally not as friendly as the Muslim Arabs. Muslim Arabs will invite you to their homes and treat you like a king/queen. Chaldeans don't do that!
For the record, Afganistan is not part of the Middle East. I have friends from Afganistan and they don't understand how the western world could be this confused. Afganistan is part of Asia. The Afgan people consider themselves to be Asian. They are not Arabs.
My Arab students were wonderful, especially compared with the majority of my Korean students. The Arabs didn't have the xenophobia or hostility towards foreign teachers like the vast majority of Koreans do in South Korea.
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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No, Jinju. This is a stupid argument you have made.
Terrorists have and always will target anyone not them. The open season has always been there, on all of us, and this will not do anything to increase nor decrease the chances of kidnapping happening. They will always take whatever opportunity they can.
Most human beings don't deal with the world like it's a dick-waving contest. (ie: non-conservatives) They did what they needed to do to bring their citizens home safe. That should be the priority of every nation.
The real argument should be why they didn't take steps to keep this from happening in the first place. And those responsible for it should face the consequences. |
Really? America is the #1 devil to them isnt it? Yet lo and behold, there areless Americans kidnapped than those from lesser devils and much less than you would expect what with the hate on these idiots have for the US. I wonder why! Oh gee, I guess it has nothing to do with the fact that they know that they are very VERY unlikely to get anything from the Americans because the Americans wont deal. So who do they hit? Soft targets from governments that cave in... its open season on Koreans now.
If an American is taken its so that they can kill him. But then they gotta face the real chance of getting the shit storm they may not want. lets imagine these were Americans. The Taliban would have to be fucking prepared to kill them all and then face a couple thousand marines raining a shit storm on them and their familes. Maybe the Americans would just target the Taliban's families first just so these turban wearing sand monkeys could have that feeling of pain before a marine shot their worthless brains out in a cabe somewhere. So guess why Americans werent taken. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| The Afgan people consider themselves to be Asian. |
It depends where they are from. My friend considered himself a mountain persian before he considered himself an asian. Actually never heard him say he thought of himself as an asian. But he was from near Herat, so that was probably it. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Rumor alert:
One of my students (adult) who has been following this story says the rumor on the internet is that the SK government agreed to pay out W10,000,000,000 per hostage. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| The Afgan people consider themselves to be Asian. |
It depends where they are from. My friend considered himself a mountain persian before he considered himself an asian. Actually never heard him say he thought of himself as an asian. But he was from near Herat, so that was probably it. |
Persia is western Asia. What he is saying is similar to a white person saying they'd rather be called European than white or caucasian. A long time ago, Persia took up a huge part of Asia and the Middle East. However, these days Persia's been reduced to what we know is Iran today and it's part of the modern Asian continent.
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Rumor alert:
One of my students (adult) who has been following this story says the rumor on the internet is that the SK government agreed to pay out W10,000,000,000 per hostage. |
Well, three of them were just release for a grad total of five. So that makes it W50,000,000,000. It's nice to know who's financially supporting terrorists/terrorism. That is if they make good on the promise and the rumor is true. |
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pugwall
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| He insists that the N. Koreans are super friendly! Actually, I had N. Korean students and I also worked for N. Koreans. Come to think of it, yeah, they were actually quite friendly. Perhaps the South Koreans could learn something from the N. Koreans |
It's really funny how that works. I can tell you that hands down the most polite and kind students I ever had, while I was teaching in North America, were middle easterners. Iranians in particular stood out as being unbelievably kind and hospitable. My Kurdish students were a very very close second. |
Let's make a distinction between Arabs and those from Iran. Arabs are generally from the Middle East. Persians are from Iran, which is part of Asia. Arabs have been at war with Persians for thousands of years. I have many Arab friends and a few Persian. They don't like it when we westerners confuse Iran with the Middle East. To anyone who's ever worked in the Middle East, there is no debate. Iran is not considered part of the Middle East. Persians and Arabs do not share the same culture, history or religious practices. As for the Kurds, they are spread in pockets all over the world; Europe has a big population and so does Turkey. So it's really difficult to categorize them as "middle eastern." They aren't any more middle eastern than the small groups of Portugese settlers who've maintained their presence for over 500 years in various parts of the Gulf states.
I grew up with Arabs all my life. I've known many from all over the Middle East, Iraq especially. Many of them are Chaldean in my home community. It's amazing to me how many people don't even know what that means. They are Christian Arabs with a LONG independant history in the faith. Chaldeans are generally not as friendly as the Muslim Arabs. Muslim Arabs will invite you to their homes and treat you like a king/queen. Chaldeans don't do that!
For the record, Afganistan is not part of the Middle East. I have friends from Afganistan and they don't understand how the western world could be this confused. Afganistan is part of Asia. The Afgan people consider themselves to be Asian. They are not Arabs.
My Arab students were wonderful, especially compared with the majority of my Korean students. The Arabs didn't have the xenophobia or hostility towards foreign teachers like the vast majority of Koreans do in South Korea. |
This is not correct. Iran has always been part of what has been considered the middle east but is not an Arab nation. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| He insists that the N. Koreans are super friendly! Actually, I had N. Korean students and I also worked for N. Koreans. Come to think of it, yeah, they were actually quite friendly. Perhaps the South Koreans could learn something from the N. Koreans |
It's really funny how that works. I can tell you that hands down the most polite and kind students I ever had, while I was teaching in North America, were middle easterners. Iranians in particular stood out as being unbelievably kind and hospitable. My Kurdish students were a very very close second. |
Let's make a distinction between Arabs and those from Iran. Arabs are generally from the Middle East. Persians are from Iran, which is part of Asia. Arabs have been at war with Persians for thousands of years. I have many Arab friends and a few Persian. They don't like it when we westerners confuse Iran with the Middle East. To anyone who's ever worked in the Middle East, there is no debate. Iran is not considered part of the Middle East. Persians and Arabs do not share the same culture, history or religious practices. As for the Kurds, they are spread in pockets all over the world; Europe has a big population and so does Turkey. So it's really difficult to categorize them as "middle eastern." They aren't any more middle eastern than the small groups of Portugese settlers who've maintained their presence for over 500 years in various parts of the Gulf states.
I grew up with Arabs all my life. I've known many from all over the Middle East, Iraq especially. Many of them are Chaldean in my home community. It's amazing to me how many people don't even know what that means. They are Christian Arabs with a LONG independant history in the faith. Chaldeans are generally not as friendly as the Muslim Arabs. Muslim Arabs will invite you to their homes and treat you like a king/queen. Chaldeans don't do that!
For the record, Afganistan is not part of the Middle East. I have friends from Afganistan and they don't understand how the western world could be this confused. Afganistan is part of Asia. The Afgan people consider themselves to be Asian. They are not Arabs.
My Arab students were wonderful, especially compared with the majority of my Korean students. The Arabs didn't have the xenophobia or hostility towards foreign teachers like the vast majority of Koreans do in South Korea. |
This is not correct. Iran has always been part of what has been considered the middle east but is not an Arab nation. |
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| Iran, (Persian: ايران, Īrān; pronunciation: [iːˈɾɒn]), officially the Islamic Republic of Iran (Persian: جمهوری اسلامی ايران, transliteration: Jomhūrī-ye Eslāmī-ye Īrān), formerly known internationally as Persia, is a Southwest Asian country located in the geographical territories of the Middle East and Southern Asia. |
If Iran is actually an Asian country, then the people are Asian regardless if part of the country falls within the boarders of the Middle East. I wouldn't call Persians Middle Easterners. That's all I'm saying. It's not entirely accurate and it's even more inacurate to call the Afgan people Middle Eastern because they certainly are not. |
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pugwall
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| He insists that the N. Koreans are super friendly! Actually, I had N. Korean students and I also worked for N. Koreans. Come to think of it, yeah, they were actually quite friendly. Perhaps the South Koreans could learn something from the N. Koreans |
It's really funny how that works. I can tell you that hands down the most polite and kind students I ever had, while I was teaching in North America, were middle easterners. Iranians in particular stood out as being unbelievably kind and hospitable. My Kurdish students were a very very close second. |
Let's make a distinction between Arabs and those from Iran. Arabs are generally from the Middle East. Persians are from Iran, which is part of Asia. Arabs have been at war with Persians for thousands of years. I have many Arab friends and a few Persian. They don't like it when we westerners confuse Iran with the Middle East. To anyone who's ever worked in the Middle East, there is no debate. Iran is not considered part of the Middle East. Persians and Arabs do not share the same culture, history or religious practices. As for the Kurds, they are spread in pockets all over the world; Europe has a big population and so does Turkey. So it's really difficult to categorize them as "middle eastern." They aren't any more middle eastern than the small groups of Portugese settlers who've maintained their presence for over 500 years in various parts of the Gulf states.
I grew up with Arabs all my life. I've known many from all over the Middle East, Iraq especially. Many of them are Chaldean in my home community. It's amazing to me how many people don't even know what that means. They are Christian Arabs with a LONG independant history in the faith. Chaldeans are generally not as friendly as the Muslim Arabs. Muslim Arabs will invite you to their homes and treat you like a king/queen. Chaldeans don't do that!
For the record, Afganistan is not part of the Middle East. I have friends from Afganistan and they don't understand how the western world could be this confused. Afganistan is part of Asia. The Afgan people consider themselves to be Asian. They are not Arabs.
My Arab students were wonderful, especially compared with the majority of my Korean students. The Arabs didn't have the xenophobia or hostility towards foreign teachers like the vast majority of Koreans do in South Korea. |
This is not correct. Iran has always been part of what has been considered the middle east but is not an Arab nation. |
Not really
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| Iran, (Persian: ايران, Īrān; pronunciation: [iːˈɾɒn]), officially the Islamic Republic of Iran (Persian: جمهوری اسلامی ايران, transliteration: Jomhūrī-ye Eslāmī-ye Īrān), formerly known internationally as Persia, is a Southwest Asian country located in the geographical territories of the Middle East and Southern Asia. |
If Iran is actually an Asian country, then the people are Asian regardless if part of the country falls within the boarders of the Middle East. I wouldn't call Persians Middle Easterners. That's all I'm saying. It's not entirely accurate and it's even more inacurate to call the Afgan people Middle Eastern because they certainly are not. |
But apart from Egypt all the Middle Eastern countries are South West Asian. I would still say that politically Iran is part of the Middle East. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:11 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Rumor alert:
One of my students (adult) who has been following this story says the rumor on the internet is that the SK government agreed to pay out W10,000,000,000 per hostage.
Well, three of them were just release for a grad total of five. So that makes it W50,000,000,000. It's nice to know who's financially supporting terrorists/terrorism. That is if they make good on the promise and the rumor is true. |
So, how much exactly then, in your astute opinion, is a human life worth?
I'll add -- it is a government's ethos/core, to protect not just the interests of the nation but more to the point, the LIVES of those in the nation. What gets my gall, is how so many who preport to espouse, "nationalism", really only do so in the name of puffed of pride and not as an object of protecting their citizens. Peace is the road to protecting citizens long term. How many politicians are REALLY pursuing a peaceful globe? How many treat citizens as expendable widgets, sacrificial lambs? How many spend on bombs and not befriending?
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| So guess why Americans werent taken. |
I think this has to do with isolating America. Which is probably fairly smart. In Politics the tactic is to remove the support and the person will fall shortly after.
Blair was in his own small, delusional world by himself before he was thankly removed. His supporters we picked off slowly, scandal after scandal.
After the bribes have been paid to these countries to send some troops out to certain death in a pointless war, why shouldn't they bring them home at the drop of a hat. I remember hearing about an Italian pilot who bailed even before he'd dropped the bombs, he told the soldiers, 'isa not my war'
I'm sure it's a lot better to have a load more US troops killed on a day to day basis, cementing American peoples anger at the body count steadily rising. Other countries have the sense to act on this danger. Hell I reckon we'll be hitting 10 000 soon. Maybe they'll have an anniversary. Actually probably not because that'd highlight the quagmire that the States has put itself in.
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| Most human beings don't deal with the world like it's a dick-waving contest. (ie: non-conservatives) They did what they needed to do to bring their citizens home safe. That should be the priority of every nation. |
Haha, this is very good.
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| So a for a few people Korea is now caving into demands of terrorists? |
I think whatever the US had 'offered' to SK for their assistance, was nothing compared to the safety of their own citizens, which is why they ditched the States and did what was necessary. SK believe that their own citizens lives mean more than the American cannon fodder that has been sent out. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:35 am Post subject: Korean Hostages |
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Apparently all 19 hostages are to be freed, with 8 already released today. From Yonhap:
"Three South Korean hostages were freed in Afghanistan Wednesday, while five others were also believed to be on their way to meet South Korean officials in the Central Asian nation.
The release of the hostages came one day after South Korean officials and Taliban militants agreed on the release of all 19 South Koreans seized last month."
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:57 am Post subject: |
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=061_1188365730
Think some of the released were in this group? If I am not mistaken they are singing in Korean arent they? Im hearing a lot of blah blah "samnida"
So let me get this straight. They are teaching afghans to sing about jesus in korean? Do these kids have any idea what they are saying or are they just mimicking these nutjobs in some funny language they know nothing about to get some food? Bloody ridiculous.
On all that Persian/Arab stuff. Of course I know Iranians are Persian. I know they are in the Asian qualifying zone for soccer and all that stuff but give me a break. When people talk about the dangers of Iran, you never hear them saying "damn those freakin asians, with there nukes and crazy religion." Geopolitically its very safe to call Iranians middle easterners. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Geopolitically its very safe to call Iranians middle easterners. |
Gee, with that train of thought, you'd have to also claim that the Israelis are also middle eastern. Actually, you could make an even better argument about that because Israel is certainly part of the middle east. But modern Persia/Iran??? |
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