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American Wives Support Man during Pedophile Prosecution?
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just another day



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the eye wrote:
I'm afraid any further explanation of your flawed statistical analysis would be quite lost on you so i'm not even going to bother.

Hopefully someone else has the stamina to get through your thick skull.


LOL please point out how its flawed. PLEASE do.
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just another day



Joined: 12 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atavistic wrote:
just another day wrote:
^ seriously. korean women don't put up with it. do u know korea has one of the highest rates of divorce in the world? what makes you think a korean woman just sits there and puts up with it? or puts up with ANYTHING?


Korea's rate and America's rate are about the same.

What makes me think women put up with it? Cause they do. Just like abused Western women. If you think otherwise, well, I can't help it. You're just wrong.


okay.

you really think that korean women don't do it??? if u think a pot or a knife being thrown at your head isn't a big deal, then please, by all means, i don't see what the point of this is.
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the eye



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Explain that to someone who thinks korean women don't put up with abuse?
I don't have that kind of patience.
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just another day



Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!

PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the eye wrote:
Explain that to someone who thinks korean women don't put up with abuse?
I don't have that kind of patience.


listen, if you don't understand statistics, then its okay. just admit it.
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blynch



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: UCLA

PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the eye wrote:
just another day wrote:
its kind of stupid to assume that korean women just sit there if their husband hits them.

you really think korean women are that helpless? idiot.


Listen dude.
I hope you can follow logic.
You came here with a poorly substantiated study about how american women would stand by their husbands DURING legal proceedings for pedophilia.

I asked you how that is any different than akorean women who stays with their man through repeated beatings. I said that because it happens a lot here.

If you want to be ignorant enough to think that korean women don't generally put up with physical abuse, then youi're the idiot.

The fact that you brought in that crap about women standing by when their children talk to strangers on the internet proves you are an idiot.


You are dead wrong, the eye. Why would any Korean woman put up with physical abuse and stay with her man through repeated beatings? They are not that different from your mommy and sisters.
Ignorant fool...
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the eye



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. What ere the chances? You two almost make half a brain.
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Atavistic



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just another day wrote:
Atavistic wrote:
just another day wrote:
^ seriously. korean women don't put up with it. do u know korea has one of the highest rates of divorce in the world? what makes you think a korean woman just sits there and puts up with it? or puts up with ANYTHING?


Korea's rate and America's rate are about the same.

What makes me think women put up with it? Cause they do. Just like abused Western women. If you think otherwise, well, I can't help it. You're just wrong.


okay.

you really think that korean women don't do it??? if u think a pot or a knife being thrown at your head isn't a big deal, then please, by all means, i don't see what the point of this is.


Oh for *beep*'s sake, where did I say it wasn't a big deal? In fact, I wrote:

Um. JAD. Most abused women, IN ANY COUNTRY OF ANY NATIONALITY who are being abused (physically, or emotionally, or psychologically) DO in fact put up with it for far too long! Once they get caught in abuse, it's very hard to leave--FOR ANY WOMAN.
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kermo



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just another day wrote:
kermo wrote:

These are American statistics, not global ones?
In 2005, 74.7% of Americans were defined as "White." Why would it be surprising that a very high percentage of online sexual predators are white?
I really hope you're not trying to make a point about Westerners vs. Asians using these statistics.


ah finally something worth talking about.

its actually 70%.

online population of whites in the US is also about 70% as well.

normally, for it to be statistically normally distributed and by chance, it should be within 1 standard deviation of 5%. meaning if it was 65-75%, then it would be normal.

But 91% would mean a Standard deviation of 4+. which would mean, for it to be naturally 91% by chance, would mean a 1 in 10,000 chance.

There is something else going on here. Its not random that whites in America are overrepresented like this. There's only a 1 in 10,000 chance these numbers are this high by chance.

a reason for the correlation has not yet been determined. only that it seems to exist.


What do you mean, "actually"? Do you have another set of numbers?
The 2000 US Census has the percentage at 75.1%. Granted, the numbers are a bit confused because some people group "Hispanic Americans" as white. It's not clear whether the police data does the same thing.

You're right-- it's not random, but there are some reasonable explanations. Take, for instance, the fact that Black Americans are on average less affluent than the white population. Probably fewer of them have personal computers and internet connections in their homes.

Anyway, it's interesting to talk about American statistics, but what goes on in Korea/Japan/China? What are the arrest rates like? Successful prosecution? Proportion to overall population?

Also, I think you'd better come up with some data to back up your assertion that "Korean women don't put up with domestic violence."
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the eye



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, kermo. Well said.
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just another day



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ yeah, its about 7% blacks online, 7% latinos online, and about 12% asians online (because of digital divide issues). so minorities are still underrepresented even knowing the online population breakdown.

anyways... no big deal. people get defensive when their "ethnicity" is being attacked.

thats all it is. a natural reaction which i completely agree with (but won't subject my children to)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the eye wrote:
Wow. What ere the chances? You two almost make half a brain.


Laughing
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blynch



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kermo wrote:
just another day wrote:
kermo wrote:

These are American statistics, not global ones?
In 2005, 74.7% of Americans were defined as "White." Why would it be surprising that a very high percentage of online sexual predators are white?
I really hope you're not trying to make a point about Westerners vs. Asians using these statistics.


ah finally something worth talking about.

its actually 70%.

online population of whites in the US is also about 70% as well.

normally, for it to be statistically normally distributed and by chance, it should be within 1 standard deviation of 5%. meaning if it was 65-75%, then it would be normal.

But 91% would mean a Standard deviation of 4+. which would mean, for it to be naturally 91% by chance, would mean a 1 in 10,000 chance.

There is something else going on here. Its not random that whites in America are overrepresented like this. There's only a 1 in 10,000 chance these numbers are this high by chance.

a reason for the correlation has not yet been determined. only that it seems to exist.


What do you mean, "actually"? Do you have another set of numbers?
The 2000 US Census has the percentage at 75.1%. Granted, the numbers are a bit confused because some people group "Hispanic Americans" as white. It's not clear whether the police data does the same thing.

You're right-- it's not random, but there are some reasonable explanations. Take, for instance, the fact that Black Americans are on average less affluent than the white population. Probably fewer of them have personal computers and internet connections in their homes.

Anyway, it's interesting to talk about American statistics, but what goes on in Korea/Japan/China? What are the arrest rates like? Successful prosecution? Proportion to overall population?

Also, I think you'd better come up with some data to back up your assertion that "Korean women don't put up with domestic violence."


Would you put up with domestic violence just because you're a Korean woman? Probably not.
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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This study was done in America, but still shows KOREAN attitudes.

http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=spusal+abuse+korean&fr=sfp&u=www.elderabusecenter.org/pdf/research/
rschart.pdf&w=spusal+spousal+abuse+korean&d=ZMTo8f4-PPaq&icp=1&.intl=us

Elder Abuse:
Korean American respondents were significantly
more likely
than respondents in the other groups
to blame the victims for the occurrence of elder
abuse.� (299)

Korean American elderly respondents held
significantly more negative attitudes toward
involvement of persons outside the family in elder
abuse incidents, as well as toward reporting of
such incidents to the authorities and the
consequences for perpetrators.
� (299)


Only 28% of Korean-Americans, compared to
62% of Caucasians, knew of an agency,
organization, or a professional to turn to for help if
they were abused or mistreated.� (Cool

�[C]onsiderable ethnic group differences exist in
the perceptions of elder abuse, and the Korean
Americans
on the average were less sensitive to or
more tolerant of potentially abusive situations than
the other two groups.�
(389)

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=
17&art_id=35482&sid=11612422&con_type=1

Spousal Abuse:
Images of a top South Korean actress in hospital with a disfigured face, which she said was caused by a beating from her celebrity husband, has stirred a rare, public debate on domestic violence.

Spousal abuse was mostly a subject discussed in private or swept under the rug until images of Lee Min Young were splashed across newspapers and on television news programs this week.

Concern in South Korea about domestic violence had already been on the rise. The gender equality ministry said about 90,500 couples received counselling in 2004 because of abuse at home and that figure was headed toward about 130,000 last year.

There, evidence from your own damn country.

And there's more!

http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=spousal+abuse+korean&u=www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/
Conjugal_Violence_in_Korean_American_Families__A_Residue
_of_the_Cultural_Tradition.pdf&w=spousal+abuse+korean&d=
IVVgNP4-PWKE&icp=1&.intl=us

Conjugal Violence in Korean American Families: A
Residue of the Cultural TraditionJae Yop Kim (Department of Social Welfare, College of Social Sciences, Yonsei University, Seoul 120,
South Korea.) and Kyu-taik Sung (School of Social Work, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, California 90089-0411.)

The study explored the incidence of spouse abuse in Korean American families and interrelations between conjugal violence, marital power struc-ture, stress, and socioeconomic and cultural factors. Rate of conjugal violence in these families is higher than those for other Asian American families.

Violence between husbands and wives has not always been viewed asa serious problem. Historically, physical punishment by husbands against
their wives has been accepted as a way of maintaining domestic authority
in different cultures.



http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?ei=UTF-
8&p=spousal+abuse+korea&u=www.state.gov/g
/drl/rls/hrrpt/2001/eap/
8336.htm&w=spousal+abuse+korea&d=bzFb8f4-PRs_&icp=1&.intl=us


Women

Violence against women remained a problem, and some women's rights groups maintain that such violence, including spousal abuse, has worsened with the 1997 to 1998 decline of the economy. The Ministry of Gender Equality, established during the year to oversee issues related to women's rights and welfare, indicated that the number of cases of spousal abuse appears to be increasing because more women are coming forward to report abuse. The Prevention of Domestic Violence and Victim Protection Act defines domestic violence as a serious crime. Authorities can order offenders to stay away from victims for up to 6 months and to be put on probation or to see court-designated counselors. The law also requires police to respond immediately to reports of domestic violence. Women's groups praised the law as a significant step in combating domestic violence.

Rape remained a serious problem. [...]

The Family Law permits women to head a household, recognizes a wife's right to a portion of the couple's property, and allows a woman to maintain greater contact with her children after a divorce. Although the law helps abused women who choose to divorce, including victims of domestic violence, the stigma of divorce remains strong, and there is little government or private assistance for divorced women. These factors, plus the fact that divorced women have limited employment opportunities and have difficulty remarrying, lead some women to stay in abusive situations. The Government established some shelters for battered women and increased the number of child care facilities, giving women in abusive situations more options, but women's rights groups say that they fall far short of effectively dealing with the problem.

The country's conservative traditions have left women subordinate to men socially and economically.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blynch wrote:

Would you put up with domestic violence just because you're a Korean woman? Probably not.


Most abused women, IN ANY COUNTRY OF ANY NATIONALITY who are being abused (physically, or emotionally, or psychologically) DO in fact put up with it for far too long! Once they get caught in abuse, it's very hard to leave--FOR ANY WOMAN.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Blychie,
Show me where I said korean women are more likely to put up with abuse than other nationalities.
You linguistically challenged, bible throwing twit.
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