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bbreuhaus
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: Cash at ATMS outside Korea |
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I just went to Hana Bank and was told that foreigners are not allowed to take any cash from ATMs outside of Korea. I have a VISA card (that says international on it) as well as a Hana ATM card.
Hana said this is true all throughout Korea.
Is it? Is there any way around this -- opening an account at HSBC, for example? Thanks much |
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King Baeksu
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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That person is straight-up wrong if not out-right lying. If you see this thread you will get all the facts you need:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=88740&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
In fact, my Hana int'l debit card worked just fine in New York City and Seattle this summer.
It's so funny that I, a mere oeguk slacker, know more about local banking regulations than a bloody bank worker here!
Where's the sense of professionalism?! C'mon people! Get with the program! |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Well, I was able to withdraw money from my Kookman Bank debit card last year when I was in the U.S., but I wasn't able to do so a few weeks ago (although I could get cash advances on my Kookman Bank BC Visa Card. It may be that they are trying to regulate it to discourage foreign teachers thinking about not returning to Korea from vacations, but it hasn't completely been effected yet... |
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King Baeksu
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: |
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King Baeksu wrote: |
As I mentioned earlier, officials at the Ministry of Finance and Economy's Foreign Exchange Transaction Policy Division had a meeting on Thursday with for-ex officials from all major Korean banks. On the agenda included the MOFE clarifying to the banks that there was no MOFE-directed regulation against issuing international debit/cash cards to resident foreigners in South Korea.
I just got off the phone with my contact at MOFE, who is the Deputy Director of the Foreign Exchange Transaction Policy Division and a very nice and helpful guy. Here is exactly what he told me as of late Friday afternoon, 22 June 2007:
"Yesterday I corrected the banks' misunderstanding about our regulation system. I told them very clearly that they don't have to worry about issuing international debit cards to resident foreigners in Korea, and they all said that they understood our policy.
"However, whether or not they change their own policy in this issue is their decision, and we [at the MOFE] cannot force them to issue int'l cash cards to foreigners or make it compulsory because it is their own internal business policy.
"Every bank has the right to accept or reject new customers, so even though there is no gov't regulation against issuing int'l cash cards to foreigners, it depends on their own internal business policy whether they choose to do so or not, and we have to respect their business policy."
Well, that seems pretty clear-cut to me. It is now up to Korean banks like KEB, Kookmin, Shinhan and Woori whether they wish to continue their discriminatory policies towards resident foreigners here. I would say that after a few weeks when this information has managed to filter throughout each bank and its branches, people should go in with the above quotes from the MOFE official and ask them if they are planning to change their own policy on their matter. If they say no, then you will know exactly where that bank is coming from and how it feels about you as a non-Korean customer.
I would say that if the banks do not change their discriminatory policy on this matter, and as a result if a million foreign customers all changed their accounts to either Nonghyup or Hana, that would send a pretty clear message to the rest of the banks here, would it not?
Perhaps I will email the PR Team at KEB next week to get their own take on this matter... Or you can just ask them yourself as the email address has been posted earlier in this thread... Good luck! |
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hogwonguy1979

Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Location: the racoon den
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: |
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i was able to get money out using my korean atm card in thailand this month. but my card is 2 years old
whats really bs about this whole stuff is my wife just got her univ id card and its tied to her bank account, it worked fine in the US this month. |
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bbreuhaus
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:21 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, King ...
I'm going to take a printout of the Chosun article to the bank branch tomorrow and see what happens. I've had my account there since March of last year. |
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King Baeksu
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:53 am Post subject: |
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Bbreuhaus, be sure to ask for a "gukje hyungum k'adu" (int'l cash card).
If they start giving you some b.s. runaround, be sure to tell them that they are racist frogs in the well. Then turn around, point to your bum and say, "Hub of Asia, my ongdong'i!" |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:13 am Post subject: Cards |
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I have a Nong Hyup cash debit card, & so far I've been able to withdraw cash overseas from atm's in Japan, Thailand, China, Mongolia (UB only), Russia & Australia. It's cirrus / maestro, if that helps. |
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bbreuhaus
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I went back today with the article -- and a Korean speaker -- and was still denied the card. My bank branch called the headquarters in Euljiro, with the Korean speaker standing there, and was told that there IS a rule denying foreigners the right to take cash out of ATMs overseas. I told them I was going to file a complaint and I asked for the bank president's name. My next step, I suppose, will be to go to the Euljiro branch. I'm not ready to let this go yet. |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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I think they are correct, it's a new rule. The people posting here (myself included) have international debit cards because we got them before this new rule came into effect. I have no problem using mine in any country, but if I went to make a new one today, I'd be denied. Tough luck! |
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King Baeksu
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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bbreuhaus wrote: |
Well, I went back today with the article -- and a Korean speaker -- and was still denied the card. My bank branch called the headquarters in Euljiro, with the Korean speaker standing there, and was told that there IS a rule denying foreigners the right to take cash out of ATMs overseas. I told them I was going to file a complaint and I asked for the bank president's name. My next step, I suppose, will be to go to the Euljiro branch. I'm not ready to let this go yet. |
Bbreuhaus, sorry but not surprised to hear this.
I mean, the bloody Ministry of Finance and Economy just told all the banks that there was no regulation against issuing these cards to foreigners! How much more clearly put does it need to be?
It is obvious at this point that they know what the real regulations are on this matter, but just can't be phucked to follow the letter of the law for whatever lame reason.
Sometimes this country is just so backwards... and increasingly irrelevant. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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I also bank with Hana and went to an upscale area, dressed well, with my well-dressed boyfriend. We were told the same thing. Also had the article. It doesn't matter.
I did, however, get a Hana check card. Which can only be used in Korea.
If you're public school, you can get a Korean credit card through Samsung. That can be a real help. It works anywhere. I just used it in Vietnam last week, had the card less than a month. |
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King Baeksu
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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spliff wrote: |
I think they are correct, it's a new rule. The people posting here (myself included) have international debit cards because we got them before this new rule came into effect. I have no problem using mine in any country, but if I went to make a new one today, I'd be denied. Tough luck! |
Spliff, why don't you try reading the above quote from The Ministry of Finance and Economy?
They are the ultimate authority on this matter. What I quoted is straight from the horse's mouth.
Please read more carefully and try not to confuse a very simple matter here! |
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bbreuhaus
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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A couple of quick things ... I showed Hana Bank the article, and pointed out the Ministry of Finance quote. Didn't matter.
Second, I've had the account since April of last year. On the top of my BC Card Visa it says "international."
And third, I just called the Seoul Foreigner Help Center. They seem to think that there IS a new rule about this, which does ban foreigners ...
I'm going to contact the Ministry of Finance. Their e-mail is [email protected] and the phone # is 2150-2974 |
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King Baeksu
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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For anyone who tries to get an int'l cash card here in the future, do not bring in my article, but rather ask them about the meeting on 21 June 2007 that all Korean banks had with officials at the Ministry of Finance and Economy's Foreign Exchange Transaction Policy Division.
MOFE clarified their policy on this matter to them, and the banks said they understood. The above quotes from the MOFE are all on-the-record comments.
There is no regulation against foreigners getting int'l cash cards. Mine is new and I got it just a few months ago.
This issue if far more complicated than it needs to be because there are too many people who just don't know what they're talking about, or using smoke and mirrors to try to duck the issue. |
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