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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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 Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:37 pm Post subject: US supports Taliban, al-Qaeda: (Says Iranian ) MP |
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An Iranian Majlis deputy said here Thursday that US extremists have founded Taliban and al-Qaeda and now support them.
Rapporteur of Majlis National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Kazem Jalali made the remark while speaking to IRNA.
"US President George W Bush and American neoconservatives make utmost use of al-Qaeda and Taliban acts," he added.
He said, "Main crimes by al-Qaeda in the world are in line with interests of the US extremists."
The MP noted that news reveal that the US works with Taliban and has confidential talks with al-Qaeda.
"In its terrorist acts, al-Qaeda takes interests of the US and the Zionist regime into consideration," Jalali said.
Bush has always strived to cause obstruction and raise accusations against others and Iran in particular, he stated, adding, "This is while the world's public opinion know that al-Qaeda is led by Washington."
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http://www2.irna.com/en/news/view/line-22/0708303990193440.htm |
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JMO
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| If you go back long enough in US foreign policy in the region, he's probably right. As in they helped create both enities. Also the current admin does use AQ terror acts for political gains, pushing thru the Pat act for instance. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| If you go back long enough in US foreign policy in the region, he's probably right. As in they helped create both enities. Also the current admin does use AQ terror acts for political gains, pushing thru the Pat act for instance. |
The US created AQ?
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However, Peter Bergen, a CNN journalist and adjunct professor who is known for conducting the first television interview with Osama bin Laden in 1997, rejected Cook's notion, stating on August 15, 2006, the following:
that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden�is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently. The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him.37]
Pakistani Brigadier Mohammad Yousaf, who ran ISI's Afghan operation between 1983 and 1987, emphasizes that the CIA funded and supported the mujahideen indirectly:
It was always galling to the Americans, and I can understand their point of view, that although they paid the piper they could not call the tune. The CIA supported the mujahideen by spending the taxpayers' money, billions of dollars of it over the years, on buying arms, ammunition, and equipment. It was their secret arms procurement branch that was kept busy. It was, however, a cardinal rule of Pakistan's policy that no Americans ever become involved with the distribution of funds or arms once they arrived in the country. No Americans ever trained or had direct contact with the mujahideen, and no American official ever went inside Afghanistan.[38]
Other sources also dispute the notion that the CIA had any contact with non-Afghan mujahideen.[39]
For a while Osama worked at the Services Office working with Abdullah Azzam on Jihad Magazine, a magazine that gave information about the war with the soviets and interviewed mujahideen. As time passed, Aymen Al Zawahiri encouraged Osama to split away from Abdullah Azzam. Although Osama and the other Afghan Arabs were considered a minor "sideshow" in the war, Osama did establish a camp in Afghanistan, and with other volunteers fought the Soviets and Marxist Afghan troops. One of his most significant battles was the battle of Jaji, which was not a major fight, but it earned him a reputation as a fighter. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden
Maybe they just though the Patriot act is what needed. And they are probably correct cause the US justice system isn't up to dealing with the terror threat. |
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JMO
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| The US has been involved in the middle east for a long time. It is not a stretch to say their prescence helped create these bodies. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:37 am Post subject: |
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Al Qaeda doesn't fight to defend muslims from the US - indeed AQ has killed many muslims , they fight to force the US out of the mideast and not to have relations and trade with nations they don't like so they can achieve the Caliphate. And while there is no chance they will get the Caliphate any time soon it doesn't stop them from attacking.
I don' t know how the US can be blamed for that.
And the biggest reason for terror is that mideast regimes and elites teach hate and incite violence. |
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JMO
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:11 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
, they fight to force the US out of the mideast
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The US is in the middle east and has been for a while. Thats all I'm saying. To say that these bodies came about with no connection to the US prescence in the ME is naive.
So therefore it isn't a strech to say that US foreign policy is one of the reasons for the existence of AQ and the Taliban. As you point out above the reason for AQ's existence/their mission statement if you will clearly shows the US prescence to be a main reason for their existence. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
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, they fight to force the US out of the mideast
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The US is in the middle east and has been for a while. Thats all I'm saying. To say that these bodies came about with no connection to the US prescence in the ME is naive.
So therefore it isn't a strech to say that US foreign policy is one of the reasons for the existence of AQ and the Taliban. As you point out above the reason for AQ's existence/their mission statement if you will clearly shows the US prescence to be a main reason for their existence. |
Let me add some more info . I don't know if it contradicts what you said but it does put the situation into perspective.
If the US wasn't in the middle east then they would still demand the US not to vote at the UN the way they don't like, not to trade with nations they don't like and not to have diplomatic relations with who they don't like. And it doesn't stop where the middle east ends.
India is next . So is South East Asia.
What was the cause of the Bali bombing? They were mad about East Timor.
As I said it is not like they will ever get their Caliphate but they think they will and so they will continue to attack.
Al Qaedism , Khomenism and Bathism are not defensive movements , they are offensive movements. |
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JMO
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:12 am Post subject: |
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Yea it doesn't contradict what I said.
I'm not saying that AQ are justified in what they do, nor the taliban. But US foreign poicy is one of the reasons for their existence. Simple as that really. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:28 am Post subject: |
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Even if there was no US or the US wasnt' in the mideast they would still be fighting for their goals. Then they would be going after someone else who was doing things they didn' t approve of.
It is true that they are angry about what the US does but even if the US didn't do what is does they would still be angry.
Al Qaeda doesn't exist to kick the US out of the mideast , they exist to gain the Caliphate. Getting the US out of the mideast is necessary for them but it is not sufficient
The only thing the US is responsible for is giving money to Pakistan with no strings attached to fight the Soviets . Pakistan set up the mujahadean. |
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JMO
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
The only thing the US is responsible for is giving money to Pakistan with no strings attached to fight the Soviets . Pakistan set up the mujahadean. |
I think if we went over the history of US involvement in the middle east we could find more than this.
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Even if there was no US or the US wasnt' in the mideast they would still be fighting for their goals. Then they would be going after someone else who was doing things they didn' t approve of.
It is true that they are angry about what the US does but even if the US didn't do what is does they would still be angry.
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In hypothetical land this is true, but unfortunately we don't know for sure. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
The only thing the US is responsible for is giving money to Pakistan with no strings attached to fight the Soviets . Pakistan set up the mujahadean. |
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I think if we went over the history of US involvement in the middle east we could find more than this. |
Well I am always looking for more info. Let me know if you have something interesting related to this.
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In hypothetical land this is true, but unfortunately we don't know for sure. |
Well we saw the Bali bombing. Was that cause of US policy?
And then we have the case of them going after Yadzhi minority in Iraq.
We also have attacks in Morroco and Algeria Things that have nothing to do with the US. |
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JMO
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:44 am Post subject: |
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http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-159.html
An essay on american involvement in the middle east since world war II. US has been heavily involved in the region since that time. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: |
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Is there any event in particular that you would like to point out?
It also seems like a incomplete one sided portrayal of events which leaves out lots of important information on many events.
The US has had a history of involvement in the mideast as have many other nations, much of it was due of the cold war. Mideast nations have also been very involved in each other's politics But that is not the main reason why AQ fights.
Getting expelling the US from the mideast is necessary for AQ , not sufficient.
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JMO
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Is there any event in particular that you would like to point out?
It also seems like a incomplete one sided portrayal of events which leaves out lots of important information on many events.
The US has had a history of involvement in the mideast as have many other nations. Mideast nations have also been very involved in each other's politics But that is not the main reason why AQ fights.
Getting expelling the US from the mideast is necessary for AQ , not sufficient. |
Well if that is true or not, my original statement still stands. American involvement in the region can not be discounted when it comes to the creation of those enitiies.
I'm not sure what info is left out, what is it? Other countries being involved could also be reasons. Since American has been the major player in the mid east in the last 50 years obviously they have the biggest impact. There are no actions without consequences. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Is there any event in particular that you would like to point out?
It also seems like a incomplete one sided portrayal of events which leaves out lots of important information on many events.
The US has had a history of involvement in the mideast as have many other nations. Mideast nations have also been very involved in each other's politics But that is not the main reason why AQ fights.
Getting expelling the US from the mideast is necessary for AQ , not sufficient. |
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Well if that is true or not, my original statement still stands. American involvement in the region can not be discounted when it comes to the creation of those enitiies. |
How did the US create those entities?
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I'm not sure what info is left out, what is it? |
Choose an event, otherwise I would have to write a reply to the whole article.
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Other countries being involved could also be reasons. Since American has been the major player in the mid east in the last 50 years obviously they have the biggest impact. There are no actions without consequences. |
Anyway if there is an event you would like to bring particular attention to please show me.
I didn't see any event that where the US organized AQ.
Other than Iran in 1953 (and please remember that the US also helped get Soviet troops out of Iran ) I don't know of any event there which was particularly unjustified. |
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