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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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 Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:19 am Post subject: THE ULTIMATE DEBATE! RELIGION, GOV'T...THE WORKS!!! |
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Now some of you here are going to complain about my cap subject line to get your attention....well, if there was ever a time, here it is.
I challenge you to watch this movie...It is broken down into three parts and I tell you now, your will be shocked, jaw dropped and maybe, just maybe your life will change on how you think and see things.
It is just under two hours long and if you really feel nothing after this film I am sure you will have a useless comment to post here....For those of us with a consciencse, I look forward to a discussion.
I will let this film speak for itself...
DK
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331&q=zeitgeist&total=1129&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Eeerm,
There is nothing new here. Part I is how Christianity is just a rip off of ancient Egyptian religion and is being used as an opiate of the masses.
Part II is how 9/11 was just a hoax by Bush and Co. (but not really THEM)
Part III is about who is REALLY behind it all. If you guessed it was the international bankers who have been plotting to control us and bring in a One World Government for decades and in some comments, centuries, you wouldn't be wrong. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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In that case:  |
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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Eeerm,
There is nothing new here. Part I is how Christianity is just a rip off of ancient Egyptian religion and is being used as an opiate of the masses.
Part II is how 9/11 was just a hoax by Bush and Co. (but not really THEM)
Part III is about who is REALLY behind it all. If you guessed it was the international bankers who have been plotting to control us and bring in a One World Government for decades and in some comments, centuries, you wouldn't be wrong. |
Well sorry Ya-ta, I didnt know you were so informed? My bad. I was unaware that JP Morgan bent America over...I was unaware that as an American you DONT have to pay your taxes. I was unaware that the Federal Reserve was a private entity and that every dollar in circulation has interest on it. Did you?
The microchip bit at the end had me jawdropped. I mean you see that stuff in movies, and there is the occasional bar talk about it. But wow, to just turn off your chip!
Well tell me this Yata, you seem to be well informed. Have you got any advice for what one should do?
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| DaeguKid wrote: |
Have you got any advice for what one should do?
DK |
Sure! Relax! Watch some TV! Go see a movie! don't worry about it!
After all...
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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Don't get me wrong here. I am not working on a bomb shelter or buidling a compoud in Texas after seeing this.
The christians on this site always go on about how strong their faith is, but after seeing this film are they questioning themselves?
For all the Dubya voters out there, what are they saying to themselves? There are some things I have heard about in this film before, but there are many things I have not heard....hence posting it.
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Have you got any advice for what one should do?
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If you are willing to take your world view from a movie, then I doubt there is anything I could say that would have much affect on you, but I will say this: If what the movie is claiming is true, why are you just now hearing about a decades old conspiracy? How did the movie producers get the Big Secret? Why did the Powers That Be stop other people from spreading the word, but not the movie makers? Why are the movie makers so much more trustworthy than your parents, teachers and the books you have read?
Watch it again and think about the connections they are stating or implying. For example, what are the pictures of Gandhi, Martin Luther Kind and John Kennedy doing at the end? How are they connected to the plot?
Do some reading in comparative religion. Are all the claims they make at the beginning of the movie true? Could ancient Egyptians see the Southern Cross? If not, then what does it say about the whole first third of the movie? If you look up Horus you don't find much that coincides with what was said in the movie.
Here's another little tid bit: "Thirty-six state legislatures had to ratify the 16th Amendment before it could go into effect. The public and most newspapers seemed to favor it. The main argument for ratification was that the amendment would force the wealthy to take on a fairer share of the federal tax burden that had in the past been largely carried by those earning relatively little. Only a few critics spoke out forcefully against the amendment. John D. Rockefeller, one of the country's richest men, stated: "When a man has accumulated a sum of money within the law. . . the people no longer have any right to share in the earnings resulting from the accumulation."
http://www.crf-usa.org/bria/bria11_3.html
But according to the movie, Old John D. was a big wheel in the scam.
I think you'd be well advised to read something about why conspiracy theories appeal to certain people. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| If you are willing to take your world view from a movie, then I doubt there is anything I could say that would have much affect on you |
Agree
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| think you'd be well advised to read something about why conspiracy theories appeal to certain people |
Strongly agree. |
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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:58 am Post subject: |
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You know for someone who heard about and knows about it, Yata, why did you watch it?
Conspiracy theories are based on coincidences...the items in this film are not coincidences, they are facts.
My point here was not to be the guy at the end of the bar talking out junk, what I want to do is what the directors are trying to do, show people what is up...im sorry if I interupted you, go back to your episode of American Idol, god knows its very important to see who is getting voted off.
1 point, the super rich....0 points, the ignorant! Looks like your down.
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:21 am Post subject: |
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I've read most of that material before on various websites, but the video presentation and dramatic soundtrack makes it more impressive.
I think that it's comprised of elements of truth, half-truths, and subtle (and/or gross) distortions.
One factual error I noted early on was the date assigned to Krishna's appearance. He appeared about 3000 B.C. - not the 900 B.C. date given in the film (which conveniently made it more recent than the Egyptian brand they're pushing as the original)
And, Krishna's birthday is not December 25 - it's always celebrated in late August or early September (this year it's on Tuesday, September 4 ...)
I think that it's basically true that capitalists try to manipulate and exploit people through mass-media and false advertising, and that banking elites along with government officials have created a more-or-less bad economy.
It's also true that there's been plenty of "bad religion".
The astrological model for religious archetypes and myths was an interesting take on understanding pagan and Judeo-Christian traditions, but I suspect that some of the dates were probably edited to fit.
Actually, in the original Vedic culture, astrology was considered the highest material science, and a person's past and future births could be perfectly charted. Astrologists were often called in to give a reading on a child's first birthday.
When great astrologer, Garga muni, did a reading on baby Krishna, he became bewildered and duly informed the loving parents that their child was apparently the all-powerful Supreme Personality of Godhead (but of course they couldn't believe it ...) |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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why did you watch it?
Conspiracy theories are based on coincidences...the items in this film are not coincidences, they are facts.
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Simple, in your OP you mentioned religion and 9/11. I was curious how someone had linked those two things. I couldn't find out without watching the film. Like RTeacher, I saw truths, half-truths and distortions.
The other reason I watched it was because it filled the time on a rainy Sunday morning while my mushroom toast cups and peach cobbler were baking. 
(I also enjoy conspiracy theories...they are an entertaining form of fiction, similar to con games. I particularly enjoy the irony of a con artist complaining about other people's cons.)
[Edited multiple times because my brain is not fully in contact with my fingers yet this morning.] |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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It must be full moon time. The loons a running wild.
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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This site substantiates the actual date of Krishna's birthday:
http://www.krishna.com/
Last edited by Rteacher on Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:31 am; edited 1 time in total |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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The ways of God and government and girls are all mysterious,
and it is not given to mortal man to understand them.
Lazarus Long
The universe never did make sense;
I suspect it was built on government contract.
{R.A.H.} |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
If you are willing to take your world view from a movie, then I doubt there is anything I could say that would have much affect on you, but I will say this: |
Well I wouldn't exactly call that a movie. And your use if this term is deliberate.
There is a lot of evidence and facts presented in that documentary. Your use of the term "movie" is designed to minimalize its argument by associating with works of fiction.
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| If what the movie is claiming is true, why are you just now hearing about a decades old conspiracy? How did the movie producers get the Big Secret? Why did the Powers That Be stop other people from spreading the word, but not the movie makers? |
It's called the internet. Nowhere else in our history on this planet have we had the ability to spread information like this to the masses.
And prior to that all of the elite institutions of knowledge in the Western world have their foundations in religion. This is why the discimination of ideas like Christianity and Judaism's roots in paganism and astrology, have such a difficult time reaching the mainstream.
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| Why are the movie makers so much more trustworthy than your parents, teachers and the books you have read? |
Who said anything about being more trustworthly. Is this quote implying that our parents, teachers, and the books we read are lieing to us?
I think misinformed is a better term.
And there you go playing with your vocabulary in order to attempt to strenghten your point and diminsh others.
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| Watch it again and think about the connections they are stating or implying. For example, what are the pictures of Gandhi, Martin Luther Kind and John Kennedy doing at the end? How are they connected to the plot? |
What did these men stand for? These men stood up against the elite institutions during their life time.
Gandhi stood against imperialism. Marti Luther stood against government sponsered racism. And Kennedy butted heads with the military establishment.
That's why the documentary used their images. They are strong symbols.
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| Do some reading in comparative religion. Are all the claims they make at the beginning of the movie true? Could ancient Egyptians see the Southern Cross? |
Wow, I guesse you think you sound really intelligent right now, don't ya?
Wrong!
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| Although these stars were known to the ancient Greeks, gradual precession of the equinoxes had lowered them below the European skyline so that they were forgotten there. For example at the latitude of Athens in 1000 B.C., Crux was clearly visible, although it was low in the sky. [1] However, by 400 A.D., most of the constellation never rose above the horizon for Athenians. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crux
The key word is gradual precession of the equinoxes which clearly explains why the ancient Egyptians were able to see Crux, and why the modern Egyptians cannot.
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| If not, then what does it say about the whole first third of the movie? |
ha ha ha.....well basically I proved you wrong. So what does that say about the first third of your arguments ?
You're an idiot.
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| If you look up Horus you don't find much that coincides with what was said in the movie. |
Care to provide some examples? Cause this isn't really the way to make an argument against something that clearly did some research and presented some ideas that are hard to dispute.
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| Here's another little tid bit: "Thirty-six state legislatures had to ratify the 16th Amendment before it could go into effect. |
And this is different from other Amendments how?
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| The public and most newspapers seemed to favor it. |
So there was an Ipsos Reed poll taken to determine public opinion? Interesting, care to provide a source?
And the newspapers!  Come on man, are you seriously trying to use the media to support your argument.
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The main argument for ratification was that the amendment would force the wealthy to take on a fairer share of the federal tax burden that had in the past been largely carried by those earning relatively little. Only a few critics spoke out forcefully against the amendment. John D. Rockefeller, one of the country's richest men, stated: "When a man has accumulated a sum of money within the law. . . the people no longer have any right to share in the earnings resulting from the accumulation."
http://www.crf-usa.org/bria/bria11_3.html |
And boy did Rockefellar and his assiciates ever do bad after the passing of the Amendment.
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| I think you'd be well advised to read something about why conspiracy theories appeal to certain people. |
I think you'd be well advised re-examine why you choose to lable anything that goes against the mainstream as a wacky conspiracy.
It's funny because people like you who really have no invested interests in the activities of the elites, would go out and defend them.
I understand you've been programed to group all dissenters into one massive group. And thus form an us versus them reality in your own mind.
I'm quote sure your the exact type of person who when first told of the Tuskegee Experiements, or project MK Ultra, or CIA funding of Contras; you would have quickly dismissed their arguments and lebled them conspiricists.
What does that say about you? |
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