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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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 Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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I've been working in a large hagwon in Seoul for 6 months. I suspect that one of my foreign co-workers has some serious mental and emotional problems.
He actually HIT/ struck an elementary school child. Open handed, slap-to the face. The director covered up for him when mum complained. The owner, finding it hard to recruit other foreigners, let it go. Took him out of that classroom and buried it.
Then, he told a young middle school girl that he would make her sit on him for the rest of the class if she spoke korean. She ran away, tears in eyes.
Reprecusions? The owner stripped him of the class. The director told mum it was a cultural misunderstanding. Fine'
On top of that, this kid has made comments like, "she's the kind of girl I would marry", and she'll be a hot piece of arse when she's older", regarding STUDENTS!
The other foreigners turn a blind eye. The Koreans turn a blind eye.
I only wonder, is learning English-e so important that Koreans would compromise the safety of their children by letting some arseface around their kids? Or is it the profit in the hagwon system?
My temporary conclusion is that korean hagwon owners do not care about the kids. nor do most westerners who come here to teach English-e.
This teacher is leaving this month. I only wonder what harm the avarice of the hagwon owner, the complacency of the korean and foreign teachers, and my inability to warn others that there is a potential pedophile in the mix will cause down the line.
Am I to blame when this guy molests a Taiwain girl or boy next year?
Is there anything that a foreigner can do when confronted with this type of situation?
PGF,
Sad in Seoul. |
This OP is fine. Sounds like a genuine cause for complaint. Corporal punishment, sitting on knees, basically, correct? Definitely a strange character. I'm gonna get slammed for saying this, but saying a child will be hot when he or she is older is not that bad. When back home, I commented that a female child is beautiful and will be very popular with the boys in 5 years time and nobody seemed to mind. It's inappropriate for a teacher to say it about a student, but still, worse crap's occurred, surely?
Anyway, PDF, as I say, it's a legitimate cause for complaint, but unfortunately, in subsequent posts, you sound like an absolute moron and it's hard to take you seriously, which sadly de-values your case against this weird guy. Let's take a look at where you screw up, with comments from me in large type......
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've already confronted him.And what happened? I've talked to my students and told them to come to me with any weird problems. that's worked.
That's how I know about the girls and the "you have to sit on me" thing. He's British.
I'm worried about the future.
I'll look into contacting his embassy. I just don't want to let it go and be done with it. I see it as serious. I know he's emotionally disturbed. He needs help; years of help. Getting kids to sit on him (his knee, right?) is weird, possibly indicative of pedophilia and definitely inappropriate, but not, I'm afraid, suggestive of requiring "years of help" I'm shocked at the Koreans' tendency to turn a blind eye. Will his pedophile mates show up next year? Will his inability to stop his feelings for kids keep him coming back?
These are the things that plague me.
Some of my best friends here are British and they are disgusted, buthaven't offeed any possible solution besides the usual, "Let's kill him" drunken *beep*. And what exactly do you suggest your friends do about it? And, if this bothers you this much, what is wrong with their solution to beat him up? What's your objection to that? You don't approve of violence solving problems? Might give him a scare and stop the rot!
I recognize he is ill. I know he needs years of help. He's not the devil, but he has mental issues, for sure. And, if he continues in this work, his actions can and will affect the youth he comes in contact with. We are not here to screw up kids and add to the xenophobia. None of us wish to harm the children, right? I mean, we may not be true educators-we may be the white monkey circus, but we can not let this sort give us the image of what they already see in their darkest thoughts; re: foreigners.What an absolutely ridiculous paragraph. You sound like you're taking the piss completely
I'll be in touch with his embassy, for sure.
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| I would have a quiet word to your Korean Co-teacher, school Principal or Manager. I had kids of both genders come up & hug/kiss me in the street both during & after school hours, (I was popular), but never reciprocated, in case it jeopardised & compromised my professional standing, or was misinterpreted by anyone passing by. Besides which, I have zero interest in kids, for that "type of thing", like most people on this board. Real child molesters are a danger to both the kids & themselves, & it should be reported. |
usually, when my kids try to hug or kiss me, i MOVE. No room to misconstrue the situation. I m a very popular teacher, but, as a man, I would never hug or kiss anothers' child unless I was close to their parents. NEVER.
Just a tip: We, as adults, are bigger than the cildren we teach. If a little boy or girl wants to hug or, God forbid, kiss you, you should not reciprocate; MOVE AWAY!. ESPECIALLY before or after school. Have you any idea how silly all that sounds? It's unfortunate that I have been rather de-sensitized to what could be a serious situation because of the very odd-sounding observer. Sorry.
The sick-o i work with has even been spotted with middle school girls from my school off the school grounds...he claimed "free private lesson".That's hardly compelling evidence. Has any child, other than the ones who've "sat on him", complained of abuse or molestation? Do you have any hard evidence whatsoever? I am glad he is leaving soon, but worried he will not stop his behavior.
Contacting the bristish Embassy Monday |
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| fromtheuk wrote: |
Firstly, this co-worker sounds very dodgy.
However, remember this, if you're wrong, and remember you have a strong hunch something is wrong, but no solid proof of it, so if you turn out to be mistaken, you're going to look a total fool and you will probably ruin the life of somebody who is admitly, simply a foolish pervert/idiot, who may or may not potentially be an abuser of children.
I think the best approach is to not confront him as such. Just ask him, look you've said and done some things which I think are really inappropriate, unprofessional and a bit sick.
What's your problem?
If his response is not normal, then what you ought to do is go online, contact the British Police online, give them his details, share your concerns with them and ask them to run a check on him.
Who knows, he may be a bloody axemurderer, or simply just a loud mouthed idiot, with a perverted mind. Remember some abusers get away with it because they have enough sense to not say what they really think.
If he is that blatant about the kids he likes, he is either an irresponsible fool or a real danger. |
I know all Brits do not write poorly. But, my British co-worker/pedophile does. I know he posts here. I am waiting for his appearance. I suspect he's already posted.
I've actually been away from Dave's since I started looking for a job, many months ago. I just posted because I am afraid said pedophile will hurt children in the future. And, I want to avert it.
Hey ROB, if you are here, please post again. Explain how hitting little boys is OKAY and how telling little girls they will have to sit on your lap if they speak Korean is okay. Explain saying, "I'd marry that girl if she were older".
Explain. You can do it. Anonymously, I changed the city name we are in. Come on and explain.Saying "I'd marry that girl if she was older is inappropriate in the student-teacher context, but again, not serious enough to support your allegations. He shouldn't hit boys, but corporal punishment is tolerated in Korea. Girls sitting on his lap is weird and wrong, but you need to do better with the evidence and sound less of a totally odd person yourself!
But, Monday, I will contact the British embassy. You are sick and need help, etc., BUT you should never again be allowed around kids. And, I am going to help you to never to be around kids again.
You need to be cooking fish and chips in manchester, with your mum.
Stay away from children. pervert. |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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OK. how about this: he said,
"I went down on a young boy in Thailand".
let me change the font so you will not miss it.
There's more to this than what I wrote.
He's a pedophile.
and corporal punishment is punishable by imprisionment in most western countries. Just because it's legal here does not make it OKAY.
I do not want to and can not get him fired. I just do not want him hurting/damaging kids in the future.
When he gets caught in ten years in Shanghai for molesting a little boy/girl, I want there to be a paper trail so someone can be held accountable.
My actions will not jail this freak, they will not harm him in any way. Beating the SH**t out of him will solve nothing. He had the sh**t beat out of him most of his life. He was probably molested by his father or uncle. Violence won't stop him or anyone else with the same problem. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| PGF wrote: |
OK. how about this: he said,
"I went down on a young boy in Thailand".
let me change the font so you will not miss it.
There's more to this than what I wrote.
He's a pedophile.
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I don't believe this. This comes a little late in the discussion. |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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fair enough.
have a good day.
I just hope your children are not exposed to him one day.
out. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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fair enough.
have a good day.
I just hope your children are not exposed to him one day.
out. |
If he actually confessed to a criminal act, why didn't you say so a lot earlier? You can report him to the police in his home country, and I'm sure they'd prosecute.
I suggest trying to draw out a more detailed confession and getting it on tape, if you haven't done this already. |
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Fresh Prince
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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The title of the thread is:
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| What can we do:foreign co-teacher possible pedophile |
It sounds like the OP is the Korean co-teacher in the OP's class. I'm just curious if there was a translation error in some of the alleged criminal's statements. It's possible that that foreign teacher may have been talking about something else and had the statements taken out of context or misinterpreted. The OP stated that this is the foriegn teacher's last month of the contract so perhaps the statements that were made had to do with the teacher being sad that his time in Korea is coming to an end.
I remember being in a group of people back home and talking with some non-native English speakers. Their English was exceptionally good but they still missed a lot of things as far as translations go. One time a friend was talking about "hitting on a girl" that he liked. The non-native English speaker mistranslated and thought that our friend literally meant that he was hitting a woman. He told everyone that his friend was an abuser of women and to be careful. In English, "hitting on a girl," and "hitting a girl," have very different meanings however the non-native English speaker was unable to see a difference. |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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You need to confront him, put a heavy moral framework around him.
To be honest, being here in my crappy hagwon untouched by authority and always being the adult I feel sometimes like I could do all that stuff and get away with it, and then I see Korean teachers marauding around with sticks and I realise I probably could get away with most things.
But I dont do things like that because Im not someone who likes to bully or take advantage of vulnerable people. We dont behave like that because we know whats right and wrong and you need to tell this person that regardless of where he is and whatever status or power he believes he has he has no right to breach the basics of right and wrong. As much as my students berate and ridicule me they are just kids after all. Many times Ive thought 'if this child were an adult I would lay them out' but they are not adults, and hitting them and molesting them is just not on.
Kids are just kids and I hate the way that my Hagwon brought me here knowing full well I had no experience of dealing with kids and have offered absolutely nothing in the way of advice when I have a problem with my students. But they are just kids.
So what you ABSOLUTELY MUST DO is confront him about it, let him know you have a problem with it and make it your business to make his life very very hard if he doesnt leave. And he needs to leave. You need to tell everyone in his vacinity what he is up to and shower him with sh*t until he leaves, there is no other way.
If this job is too much for him and he is just lost (I think this is probably the case) then he goes back to where he cam from and can reflect until he realises whats right and wrong.
If he is just evil then at least you know you did whats best, and this goes beyond keeping your job or whatever. It also goes beyond what is acceptable here compared to what is acceptable at home.
I dont envy your position but youre going to have to step up this time and speak out. |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Further to that, the fact that his hagwon is COVERING UP his violent and paedophilic (This is how you spell paedolphile, Americans), and the fact that I find that easy to believe, makes me sad about ths entire industry, but more than that it depresses me about human nature. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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OK. how about this: he said,
"I went down on a young boy in Thailand".
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And it didn't occur to you to mention this previously?
Anyway, there's even something totally odd in this. He went down on a boy and not the other way around as one would normally expect in a pedophile-on-child sexual encounter?
This is the problem. You come across as odd. Testimonies from odd observers are to be taken with a pinch of salt, always.
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| There's more to this than what I wrote. |
There would have to be much, much more to convince me than what's been said so far. I don't want to be too rude because I do not think you are making this up and think you do have a legit concern, but frankly, your highly incompetent testimony has consisted of (A) extremely serious allegations, (B) very little evidence that you are indeed observing a truly dangerous individual, (c) an avalanche of absolute drivel
So you keep saying.
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| and corporal punishment is punishable by imprisionment in most western countries. Just because it's legal here does not make it OKAY. |
Indeed so, but my point was that corporal punishment is tolerated here and this could be a satisfactory explanation for this incident.
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| I do not want to and can not get him fired. I just do not want him hurting/damaging kids in the future. |
Other than the corporal punishment incident, I haven't heard any evidence that he's hurting them now. Sitting on knees is weird, weird, but it is not child abuse. Besides, he makes girl students sit on his knee if they speak Korean....so a punishment? What the flip?? If you have some solid evidence of pedophilia involving Korean children, perhaps report it to the cops?
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Further to that, the fact that his hagwon is COVERING UP his violent and paedophilic (This is how you spell paedolphile, Americans), and the fact that I find that easy to believe, makes me sad about ths entire industry, but more than that it depresses me about human nature. |
Not in American English: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedophile
American English has different (but equally valid) spellings for many things, like Brazilian Portuguese does vis-a-vis European Portuguese. |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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The 'no hard evidence' thing and the beauratic-framework excuse doesnt stick.
You need to be vigilant, in all aspects of your life.
However, the fact that you dont want to get him fired makes me wonder what the hell you are on, and also why you posted this in the first place. If you dont want to get him fired and you know full well that the police, here as in every country, wont do anything, then beyond giving him a stern talking to you dont leave yourself many options |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| rusty1983 wrote: |
The 'no hard evidence' thing and the beauratic-framework excuse doesnt stick.
You need to be vigilant, in all aspects of your life.
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Vigilant yes, but more so you need to be right. An accusation is all it would take to destroy someone's career back home, even if it was false. Apparently (I didn't see the survey, but I heard one of my profs saying this), pedophilia is on the decline, even with the internet. It's just that it is reported much, much more often nowadays and people are starting to see it everywhere.
I think the guy should not be a teacher just for the slap. That alone is enough to be fired. But for the pedophilia, be careful. Make sure it is. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| However, the fact that you dont want to get him fired makes me wonder what the hell you are on, and also why you posted this in the first place. If you dont want to get him fired and you know full well that the police, here as in every country, wont do anything, then beyond giving him a stern talking to you dont leave yourself many options |
Exactly. OP- Why do you need to ask us what you should do? The answer is obvious. If you are CONVINCED you are working with a pedophile, you KNOW what you need to do. |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:44 am Post subject: |
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The 'no hard evidence' thing and the beauratic-framework excuse doesnt stick.
You need to be vigilant, in all aspects of your life.
However, the fact that you dont want to get him fired makes me wonder what the hell you are on, and also why you posted this in the first place. If you dont want to get him fired and you know full well that the police, here as in every country, wont do anything, then beyond giving him a stern talking to you dont leave yourself many options |
the gy with keith the keith richards avatar is weird. Example: THIS IS HOW YOU SPELL FAVOURITE AMERICANS! weird chip on his shoulder.
I do not want to get him fired because I can watch him where we work. I've confronted him many times. He is afraid of me. He can not, does NOT, will not mke the same mistakes. My kids will inform me the second he does something stupid.
Have I confronted him? Yes, and he does not hit kids or do perverted things since I've talked to himm.
BUT, he is leaving this month. Kids are kids. And, I know he can not get a job in the UK, so I know he will be doing the same if not worst shi0000t in another country.
Anyway, I've got it under control.
I really do not like typing on a Bulleting Board. Spinoza, P me if you really have an issue with me. I'll give you my phone number, address, we can meet. |
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wylies99
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:46 am Post subject: |
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Anyway, I've got it under control.
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You think so? Doesn't sound like it. |
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