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mack4289
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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 Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: govt. helps foreign wives? |
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Can any women on here married to Korean men explain this?
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2880037
"�Unlike foreign women who are married to Korean men, the government does not provide any support for foreign men married to Korean women,� said Han Guk-yeom, chairman of the Women Migrants Human Rights Center."
That article is worth a read. Interesting stuff. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:59 am Post subject: |
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�Unlike foreign women who are married to Korean men, the government does not provide any support for foreign men married to Korean women,� said Han Guk-yeom, chairman of the Women Migrants Human Rights Center.
According to Han, the center receives three to four calls per day from foreign wives of Korean men, who suffer from domestic violence. Last year, 400 out of about 700 calls the center received were related to domestic violence, including verbal or physical assault.
On July 4, in Cheonan, South Chungcheong, Huynh Mai, a 19-year-old Vietnamese woman, was found dead with 18 broken ribs. According to police, her 46-year-old Korean husband beat her to death because she said she wanted to go back to her country. |
Ahhh, that explains JAD's position that Korean women don't get abused. It's foreign women who get abused.... |
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vox
Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Location: Jeollabukdo
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:21 am Post subject: |
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http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2880037
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Just read that story now. Trying to imagine myself in the same situation and just reacting by talking. It's hard to imagine.
As much as I sympathize with the victims in the story, I have to say it surprises me that couples facing such loaded questions shrink back and try to find some kind of reasonable position in an unreasonable barb. When I read the question 'what's wrong with your eyes' the first reaction I had was to think 'because he's better looking than you. What's wrong with your pecker' or I'm sure if I were angry enough I could come up with better. My point is why not stick one's finger in their wound and rub it around a bit? These sorts of frustrated street urchins are all passive aggressive and would just crawl back in their shells of simmering malcontent if you showed them you know what's hurting them and find it a suitable subject for ridicule. Sometimes it seems like we're too accommodating, especially when stories like these come out. People get emboldened if they're not smacked down every now and then. Is this attitude wrong? I'd think it were utterly necessary to live in Seoul.
Of course, I don't live in Seoul, my woman and I enjoy a happy, quiet life undisturbed by such problems in rural Korea, and this could be just the coffee talking. Maybe my reaction would be different on a detox day.
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VirginIslander
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| Can any women on here married to Korean men explain this? |
First, Race and Gender relations are similar in a lot of homes in America (not mine). And ecomonics and education play a big role. We're talking about poor, illiterate Korean men and women.
Keep in mind, its acceptable for a black men to marry a white woman in the black community but not a black woman and a white man.
Similarily, its more acceptable for a white man to marry a black woman in the white community than for a black man to marry a white woman.
Or, its much more acceptable in the white and black community for a white and black man to marry an asian woman than it is for a asian man to marry a white or black woman.
How man asian guys do you know dating black girls? Could you imagine a black father's reaction? Or her older brother's reaction?
Same thing happens with East Indians. Is it acceptable for a Hindu to marry a Muslim?
You have to understand where, or when, you are. Korea is the American south during the 1950s.
I walk onto a subway, everyone looks at me. I walk on with my Somoan friend, everyone looks at her. We walk in with a black person, everyone looks at him. Thats how it is. After a year I have learned to accept it.
Second, the reason Koreans dont help him is because he's a man. Men can help themselves. Thats how Korean men think. And who do Koreans help?
This is country where you have to take care of yourself or you wont eat. They have senior citizens pulling carts of trash in their major cities.
Remeber when you are?
And remember that the Begali probably gets the last laugh in the sauna. So the universe works itself out in the end. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| Can any women on here married to Korean men explain this? |
Keep in mind, its acceptable for a black men to marry a white woman in the black community but not a black woman and a white man. |
I've often heard the opposite is true actually, and I know I've been on the receiving end of some very nasty looks when I was out with a black man |
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VirginIslander
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| I've often heard the opposite is true actually, and I know I've been on the receiving end of some very nasty looks when I was out with a black man |
Yes, but how often have you seen, not heard, the opposite? |
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GoldMember
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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Recent changes to immigration laws such as F2's can now work without a seperate work permit, and it's now possible to get an F5 after 2 years not 5 years, were all done with the Male Korean with a foreign wife in mind.
The F5 change was done to give the woman some semblence of legal protection, not because the Korean government is warm and fuzzy, but because of protests from countries such as Vietnam, where Korean companies want to continue selling their products.
Alowing F2's to work was done because the poor schmucks these women marry earn diddly squat, so it helps if their wives work.
It's all about the $$$$'s |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| VirginIslander wrote: |
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| Can any women on here married to Korean men explain this? |
First, Race and Gender relations are similar in a lot of homes in America (not mine). And ecomonics and education play a big role. We're talking about poor, illiterate Korean men and women.
Keep in mind, its acceptable for a black men to marry a white woman in the black community but not a black woman and a white man.
Similarily, its more acceptable for a white man to marry a black woman in the white community than for a black man to marry a white woman.
Or, its much more acceptable in the white and black community for a white and black man to marry an asian woman than it is for a asian man to marry a white or black woman.
How man asian guys do you know dating black girls? Could you imagine a black father's reaction? Or her older brother's reaction?
Same thing happens with East Indians. Is it acceptable for a Hindu to marry a Muslim?
You have to understand where, or when, you are. Korea is the American south during the 1950s.
I walk onto a subway, everyone looks at me. I walk on with my Somoan friend, everyone looks at her. We walk in with a black person, everyone looks at him. Thats how it is. After a year I have learned to accept it.
Second, the reason Koreans dont help him is because he's a man. Men can help themselves. Thats how Korean men think. And who do Koreans help?
This is country where you have to take care of yourself or you wont eat. They have senior citizens pulling carts of trash in their major cities.
Remeber when you are?
And remember that the Begali probably gets the last laugh in the sauna. So the universe works itself out in the end. |
It may be relatively more acceptable for a white man to marry a black woman but I still very rarely saw these relationships in the US.
I wonder why that is since white men historically have found black women sexually attractive. Consider that millions of black women have probably been raped by their white masters. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Consider that millions of black women have probably been raped by their white masters. |
Did you invent a time machine and go back to the antebellum south? We could get into a discussion about slavery here in Korea, if you like. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Consider that millions of black women have probably been raped by their white masters. |
Did you invent a time machine and go back to the antebellum south? We could get into a discussion about slavery here in Korea, if you like. |
it would be an interesting thread. I do think, however, that, albeit using today's standards, sexual relations between the white slave owners and their female black slaves would not be considered consensual.
"In the antebellum South, the rape of enslaved black women�by enslaved men or by white men�was commonplace, but it was not a crime.
The law simply gave human property no protection from sexual assault; even free black women had little recourse, as the inability of black people to testify in court or to serve on juries would have made successful prosecutions of their assailants impossible.
Some of the same stereotypes that justified slavery in the first place�that black people required the civilizing influence of subjugation to tame their sexual appetites�were pressed into the service of rationalizing these rapes: because the rape laws of that time denied protection to all unchaste women, black women, according to the stereotypes employed by their white masters, could simply never fall within the law�s ambit.
The rape of enslaved women also had a powerful economic justification: a child inherited the legal status of its mother, not its father�rape thus became a tool for increasing the labor force.
After the Civil War rape laws became race neutral, yet prosecutors, judges, and juries were slow to punish the assailants of black women. Outside the courtroom, the rape of African American women became a tool for inspiring terror and ensuring continued subordination in the Reconstruction South."
http://www.brandeis.edu/projects/fse/slavery/slav-us/slav-us-articles/slav-us-art-kennedy.html |
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mack4289
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I was just wondering what sort of help the government gives. The who-raped-whom more debate should be fun. I'll give it three pages. Anyone wanna place bets? |
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VirginIslander
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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komerican wrote:
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Consider that millions of black women have probably been raped by their white masters.
it would be an interesting thread. I do think, however, that, albeit using today's standards, sexual relations between the white slave owners and their female black slaves would not be considered consensual.
"In the antebellum South, the rape of enslaved black women�by enslaved men or by white men�was commonplace, but it was not a crime.
The law simply gave human property no protection from sexual assault; even free black women had little recourse, as the inability of black people to testify in court or to serve on juries would have made successful prosecutions of their assailants impossible.
Some of the same stereotypes that justified slavery in the first place�that black people required the civilizing influence of subjugation to tame their sexual appetites�were pressed into the service of rationalizing these rapes: because the rape laws of that time denied protection to all unchaste women, black women, according to the stereotypes employed by their white masters, could simply never fall within the law�s ambit.
The rape of enslaved women also had a powerful economic justification: a child inherited the legal status of its mother, not its father�rape thus became a tool for increasing the labor force.
After the Civil War rape laws became race neutral, yet prosecutors, judges, and juries were slow to punish the assailants of black women. Outside the courtroom, the rape of African American women became a tool for inspiring terror and ensuring continued subordination in the Reconstruction South." |
As I said before, remember when you are.
If you want to compare race relations in Korea today to race relations in America 150 years ago, then the act of comparing these two eras says more about Korea now than it does about America then. |
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