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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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[quote="Dome Vans"]http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/06/04/nyt.friedman/
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| Joo, you really must lack any common sense if you base your opinions on CNN. This is a pro-American news company. If they gave you a balanced view. BUsh wouldn't allow them to broadcast. Freedom of speech in disappearing in the Land of the Free. And as with Pelitiere and Michael Moore, any person who says anything that doesn't go along with the government's propaganda machine is rubbished and cast out. You hear what they want you to hear. Nothing more. |
You obviously have been brainwashed to this way of thinking.
better than your anti US alternative media sites whose agenda is just to oppose the US.
Pelitere and Moore have been refuted cause what they say wasn't accurate. IT is their fault.
If it was anti Bush it would not be allowed to be broadcast?
and now you falling back to conspiracy theories. Wow.
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| 'You're either with us or against us'. Things aren't really that simple Joo. Please remove your blinkered vision and wake up. |
You are either with us or against US means that if a nation wants to have normal trade and diplomatic ties with the US then they have to help out in the war on terror. The US has the right to have (or not have ) trade and diplomatic rations with any nation it chooses.
(Though the Al Qaedists the Bathists and the Khomeni followers don't think so. ) |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Dome Vans wrote: |
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/06/04/nyt.friedman/
Joo, you really must lack any common sense if you base your opinions on CNN. This is a pro-American news company. If they gave you a balanced view. BUsh wouldn't allow them to broadcast. Freedom of speech in disappearing in the Land of the Free. And as with Pelitiere and Michael Moore, any person who says anything that doesn't go along with the government's propaganda machine is rubbished and cast out. You hear what they want you to hear. Nothing more.
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Michael Moore's movies do all too well in the States. The press is free to express its opinions, and Bush cannot shut them down. I think you're confusing the lack of freedom under Saddam's Iraq with the US. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| better than your anti US alternative media sites whose agenda is just to oppose the US |
Nope, no one is better than the others. You find a media or an argument that you agree with and use it to base opinions on. By your reckoning believing the US propaganda is better than the alternative media sites, saying that the actions of the US is above any form of critical dissemination. This is a very blinkered view.
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| The press is free to express its opinions, and Bush cannot shut them down. |
Not really, the ones who are pro-american receive more funding because they are helping the 'cause'. Keeping the nation in a state of fear. I do like your assertion that anything that is anti-american is simply classed an a conspiracy theory. I'm sure Nostradamus would have been jailed for his predictions (sorry conspiracy theories)
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| The US has the right to have (or not have ) trade and diplomatic rations with any nation it chooses. |
Think this is called bribing. Obviously these bribes aren't enough anymore which is why everyone's ditching the states in Iraq and afghanistan. Wonder why? |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| The press is free to express its opinions, and Bush cannot shut them down. |
Not really, the ones who are pro-american receive more funding because they are helping the 'cause'. Keeping the nation in a state of fear. |
That's interesting. I'm a reasonably aware American and I didn't know that private press outlets received government funding. Perhaps you can point me to a link that confirms what you're saying. |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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After all of the hoobaballoo the missionaries did by going to Afghanistan, I've only got one thing to say to them:
You're Fired!!
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| The press is free to express its opinions, and Bush cannot shut them down. |
Not really, the ones who are pro-american receive more funding because they are helping the 'cause'. Keeping the nation in a state of fear. |
That's interesting. I'm a reasonably aware American and I didn't know that private press outlets received government funding. Perhaps you can point me to a link that confirms what you're saying. |
I second the request to see a source on that one. |
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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It can be stated and argued that Korea financed, thus, is supporting, terrorism by paying the terrorists $20,000,000 US.
Yes, they were trying to get their hostages back (who were warned not go there) which ever way possible, but this is downright selfish to not consider the issue from Korea's allies or global interests. Now that is a huge sum of money in bad hands that can and will cause negative events to occur randomly around the world such as bombings or biological agents.
This was very selfish of Korea in showing the world it has money and diplomatic power as Korea is all about competing competitively in the global economy. I do not believe it was about saving those hostages lives, those it instilled more national pride and morale, as much as making a high status and competency statement to the world. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I second the request to see a source on that one. |
If the American govt is funding the press, it ought to be easy enough to prove: Congressional appropriations are a matter of public record. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| [Not really, the ones who are pro-american receive more funding because they are helping the 'cause'. ? |
Links please. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/06/04/nyt.friedman/
Joo, you really must lack any common sense if you base your opinions on CNN. This is a pro-American news company. If they gave you a balanced view. BUsh wouldn't allow them to broadcast. Freedom of speech in disappearing in the Land of the Free. And as with Pelitiere and Michael Moore, any person who says anything that doesn't go along with the government's propaganda machine is rubbished and cast out. You hear what they want you to hear. Nothing more.
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So the fact that Bush has a less than 30% approval rating is what they want us to hear?
The fact the Iraqi war isn't going well is what they want us to hear?
You really don't think before you post do you? |
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thepeel
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Yeah, I'd like to see links too.
The American government, like all governments, finds ways to reward and punish those journalists they dislike. In the USA, the rewards/punishment often take the from of increase/decreased access to important individuals. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| If they gave you a balanced view. BUsh wouldn't allow them to broadcast. Freedom of speech in disappearing in the Land of the Free. |
Provide examples of media companies that Bush has silenced. .
Also, do you read the NYTimes, The Nation, Mother Jones, Reason Magazine or others? The most prolific critic of the United States is an American who freely lives in the United States and publishes freely in the United States and works at a university with unquestionably close ties to the "military industrial complex" and yet says that the USA is among the most free nations on earth in terms of expression. Do you think the CIA gets to black out portions of Noam's books? Have you ever been to the United States?
Or, maybe you and your psychologist should discuss pharmacological solutions to your paranoia. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| better than your anti US alternative media sites whose agenda is just to oppose the US |
Nope, no one is better than the others. You find a media or an argument that you agree with and use it to base opinions on. By your reckoning believing the US propaganda is better than the alternative media sites, saying that the actions of the US is above any form of critical dissemination. This is a very blinkered view.
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| The press is free to express its opinions, and Bush cannot shut them down. |
Not really, the ones who are pro-american receive more funding because they are helping the 'cause'. Keeping the nation in a state of fear. I do like your assertion that anything that is anti-american is simply classed an a conspiracy theory. I'm sure Nostradamus would have been jailed for his predictions (sorry conspiracy theories)
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| The US has the right to have (or not have ) trade and diplomatic rations with any nation it chooses. |
Think this is called bribing. Obviously these bribes aren't enough anymore which is why everyone's ditching the states in Iraq and afghanistan. Wonder why? |
You need to pipe down a little bit and do some reading mate, honestly. Your head is spinning with beliefs you have created in your head, or through reading cranky sites. Given, Joo and Kuros are working you because you're easy to pull to pieces, its no sweat for them. Read more and put up a bit more of a challenge.
I don't like this Bush administration, and feel it has made a gigantic mess of the post 9-11 world, and indeed is a bit stinky in places, but I can see as clear as a bell that you would do well to research some of your beliefs a bit more thoroughly. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Nope, no one is better than the others. You find a media or an argument that you agree with and use it to base opinions on. By your reckoning believing the US propaganda is better than the alternative media sites, saying that the actions of the US is above any form of critical dissemination. This is a very blinkered view. |
alternative media is to go after the US and nothing much else.
Anyway why do you think your alternative media sites are above criticism? You seem to think that if anyone finds fault with the accuracy of what they say then it is some conspiracy.
I bet if someone put up an article from the National Review you would be the first one to compalin about it.
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| Not really, the ones who are pro-american receive more funding because they are helping the 'cause'. Keeping the nation in a state of fear. I do like your assertion that anything that is anti-american is simply classed an a conspiracy theory. I'm sure Nostradamus would have been jailed for his predictions (sorry conspiracy theories) |
funding by who? Which conspiracy theorists or alternative media people have been jailed anyway?
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| Think this is called bribing. Obviously these bribes aren't enough anymore which is why everyone's ditching the states in Iraq and afghanistan. Wonder why? |
So what? The US ought to do whatever it can to win. Why not?
It is not only bribing it is also a threat. US trade and diplomatic relations are improtant to many nations. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| No lets get this clear, America is not in Iraq for humanitarian reasons |
At the same time is no good argument to oppose it for that reason.
and Saddams ruthless and cruel record is indication of what he would do if he ever got free. |
Personally, very few people I know who are against the war argue against it on humanitarian grounds when there is so much else. Really I think you are picking on the weakest opposition argument.
The war is a disaster. I don;t think you need humanitarian issues to make that point.
If Saddam ever got free? From where? Before the war he was on an island like Napoleon and was ready to wage war over the region onc he escaped? You overstate your case me thinks.
The US government does not give a crap what Saddam did/would do to any minorities in the same way as they do not care about what is happening to minorities around the world. Lets not pretend that this was a reason for them entering the war. |
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