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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:20 pm    Post subject: Discussion Topic: Discrimination Reply with quote

In today's JoongAng Ilbo there is a good piece on discrimination against foreigners that would make a good basis for a discussion class.

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2880037
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Whistleblower



Joined: 03 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans are always saying my son is mixed blood. I feel for citizens from developing countries as they get treated pretty badly. I hope that my son, when he is old enough to go to public, will be treated equally to "pure blood" Koreans. However, my son has been treated pretty badly by some youngsters in Korea. My son's skin colour is not as dark as Korean and most kids think his father is American. I am British. Nonetheless, my kid was playing in a river this summer and a kid went up to him and said,"You can't play here because your father is American". My son kicked him. The mother came up apologising for her son's behaviour. This just goes to show that youngsters are taught early about homogeniality, ethnocentricism and unequality amongst "pure" and "unpure" Koreans. However, the adult generation (25~35 years) are more open minded. Things can only get better.
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contrarian



Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yesterday in my church one of the wives was a Phillipina. Very pregnant and with another small child.

No dsicrimination whatsoever. I do see that people from the Indian Subcontinent seem to rank pretty low. Lower than American blacks and just above, "Nigerians".
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The idea of these mail-order marriages might be another topic. In Jeollanam-do it's reported that 25% of new marriages are international. Old attitudes toward foreigners will probably need to change, especially if a foreigner is your mother or is carrying your child.
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xeno439



Joined: 30 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

contrarian wrote:
Yesterday in my church one of the wives was a Phillipina. Very pregnant and with another small child.

No dsicrimination whatsoever. I do see that people from the Indian Subcontinent seem to rank pretty low. Lower than American blacks and just above, "Nigerians".

It's funny that they rank the ethnic groups in a hierarchy. I know this is absolutely true because my KGF says things this effect all the time. Even though she doesn't agree with any sort of racial discrimination, she is well aware of general attitudes in Korea. Anyone got a full list of the ranking order? I know it would just stir controversy, but why not. Let's see how we all pan out.

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Why are you trying to mix our pure blood?� �
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xeno439 wrote:
contrarian wrote:
Yesterday in my church one of the wives was a Phillipina. Very pregnant and with another small child.

No dsicrimination whatsoever. I do see that people from the Indian Subcontinent seem to rank pretty low. Lower than American blacks and just above, "Nigerians".

It's funny that they rank the ethnic groups in a hierarchy. I know this is absolutely true because my KGF says things this effect all the time. Even though she doesn't agree with any sort of racial discrimination, she is well aware of general attitudes in Korea. Anyone got a full list of the ranking order? I know it would just stir controversy, but why not. Let's see how we all pan out.

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Why are you trying to mix our pure blood?� �


Let's see
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American Blacks
Indians
Nigerians

Well...that's part of the puzzle...who wants to fill in the rest? I'm dying to know how low I rank...
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Mr Crowley



Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't Koreans evolve from the mixing of Chinese and Mogolians ?
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This whole notion of 'pure blood' needs to be kicked out of the water.

Do some DNA tests and see how pure they are. I'm sure half would come back with some Japanese genes.

'I'm pure blood Korean'

'Is that necessarily a good thing?'
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LuckyNomad



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have conversations about racism with my middle schools classes from time to time. Luckily my co-teacher is intelligent and recognizes the duplicity of Korea's racial arguments.

I love asking them why Vietnamese and Filipinos are lower than Koreans.
"because Korea is richer."
"Really?! Well, Japan is the second richest country in the world and America is the richest. So I'm better than you and Japan is better than Korea."
And the richer argument collapses. (though a few students will, surprisingly, agree with the argument of Japanese superiority). Very shocking to me.
The smarter students will recognize the false logic of their prejudice(though probably only temporarily), but one must keep hammering away every once in a while.

You can also throw in arguments such as, North Koreans and South Koreans are the same race.(they will agree). North Korea is one of the poorest countries in the world.(agreed) Thus, Koreans are one of the lowest nationalities.(ummmmm.....) Shocked
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Whistleblower



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read this article today:

http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2007/09/117_9419.html

More about pure and impure Korean blood which is related to discrimination.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good article, thanks, Whistleblower. "Blood purity" is, essentially, what was used by the Japanese military government during World War II to justify its aggression.

I also have discussions with my middle school students about prejudice. One such conversation is when I tell them I won't tolerate racist slurs or comments in my class or around me, even if the slur/comment isn't directed at me. I find racism to be unethical and immoral. More important, it's the sign of an incredibly weak mind.
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riley



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love your kid's attitude, Whistleblower, I don't always agree with violence but I think it's important to stand up for yourself. It definitely sounds like he is.
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LuckyNomad wrote:
I have conversations about racism with my middle schools classes from time to time. Luckily my co-teacher is intelligent and recognizes the duplicity of Korea's racial arguments.

I love asking them why Vietnamese and Filipinos are lower than Koreans.
"because Korea is richer."
"Really?! Well, Japan is the second richest country in the world and America is the richest. So I'm better than you and Japan is better than Korea."
And the richer argument collapses. (though a few students will, surprisingly, agree with the argument of Japanese superiority). Very shocking to me.
The smarter students will recognize the false logic of their prejudice(though probably only temporarily), but one must keep hammering away every once in a while.

You can also throw in arguments such as, North Koreans and South Koreans are the same race.(they will agree). North Korea is one of the poorest countries in the world.(agreed) Thus, Koreans are one of the lowest nationalities.(ummmmm.....) Shocked


Yes, that's a good post - been there and done all that. One way out of that I have encountered is that Asian people - East Asian people - are in a general way the most superior race. This was evoked via the bread analogy - have you heard it? Blacks have been in the oven too long, whites not long enough, but Asians just right. But again, they're unhappy with including the Japanese, who after all are the sworn enemy, not Africans and certainly not Europeans and North Americans.

One interesting way to have a discussion about race, if the issue of superior races crops up, is to discuss inventions and discoveries, although sadly it's difficult to do without sounding like a white supremacist because Britain and America come out on top by a light year. Even peripheral English-speaking countries like Canada and Scotland have punched significantly above their weight with regard to key inventions and discoveries and general utility to the species. How about Korea? Get them to discuss it and see what they can come up with.

Reasonable question: What would the Korean national reaction be if Korea produced the Spirit Rover (landed successfully on Mars on January 4, 2004) or if the Cervical Cancer Vaccine was developed at a Korean University and not, as was the case, the University of Louisville last year (the world's first ever cancer vaccine, estimated to save millions of women's lives annually throughout the world)?

See also the economic stats in my provocatively-titled Is the English-speaking world superior? thread. I unearthed some excellent slices of reality that aren't flattering to Asia (except of course, the Japanese). So again, if Asian people are a superior race, what is the reason for their countries' largely lacklustre performances on the world stage? Is it because white people are so greedy?

Importantly, this stuff is general knowledge.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When the UN report came out recently, there were positive editorials in the Chosun Ilbo, JoongAng Ilbo and the Hankyoreh. I was concerned that the issue would then die.

The publication of two articles on the same day provides some hope that this issue will become a common topic of discussion among Koreans.

I think our job is not to lecture Koreans, but to expose them to what other Koreans are saying and then stand back and trust them to do the right thing.
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LuckyNomad



Joined: 28 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never heard the oven argument before. Though there is the, "we modernized quickly," argument.

As far as inventions go, I'd say China takes the cake. But they don't like hearing that either.

No, we should not lecture Koreans about racism. But I think this is one thing that we must bring up because they're not going to be taught this sort of thing from their elders or their Korean teachers. Their foreign teachers are probably the only ones who are ever going to deliver the other side of the race story. Besides, I'm tired of my students telling me that Americans have blonde hair and blue eyes when I'm standing right in front of them and clearly do not. Evil or Very Mad
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