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Jizzo T. Clown
Joined: 27 Mar 2006
Location: at my wit's end
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
I shout at them "I'M YOUR TEACHER NOT YOUR FREAKIN' MOTHER NOW SIT DOWN SHUT UP AND ACT LIKE STUDENTS NOT LITTLE BABIES." |
And then they either look at you dumbfounded or ask the nearest Korean what you said. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Jizzo T. Clown wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
I shout at them "I'M YOUR TEACHER NOT YOUR FREAKIN' MOTHER NOW SIT DOWN SHUT UP AND ACT LIKE STUDENTS NOT LITTLE BABIES." |
And then they either look at you dumbfounded or ask the nearest Korean what you said. |
They tend to get it. "I'm not your mother." That should be easy enough for them to understand. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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'Cunning' is Konglish for our Western idea of 'cheating'. However, cheating/cunning isn't necessarily a bad thing in Korea (Confucian culture???) - perhaps only if you are caught out.
My co-teacher actually said some students were "smart students" when they were leaving their completed work for their friends in following classes.
Part of the problem is the group mentality/culture (older/smarter has to help friends) - and the other is basically Asian society (focusing on the end (winning) and not the process (learning & achieving through self worth).
Anyway, cunning is here to stay in Korea. It's part of life and definately part of business practice. Just read the papers. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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What I hate is when I've written the word or answer ON THE BOARD and the students still do that stupid leaning over to their neighbors thing.
The other thing I hate is when they sit--frozen--unable to put their name on their paper because nobody else has done it. Sheep. |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I generally implement a no tattling policy. It's really unfair for me to punish a kid for doing something that I didn't see them do. Plus many of my students delight in getting their friends in trouble and/or are whiny, so I'm not giving them the pleasure. I had one student tap another on the shoulder to ask a question, and the be-tapped student started screaming "TEACHER HE HIT!!" It's really annoying and I don't tolerate it. |
I'm generally with you on the no tattling. Any ideas on how to effectively balance no tattling with no bullying? |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| oldfatfarang wrote: |
'Cunning' is Konglish for our Western idea of 'cheating'. However, cheating/cunning isn't necessarily a bad thing in Korea (Confucian culture???) - perhaps only if you are caught out.
My co-teacher actually said some students were "smart students" when they were leaving their completed work for their friends in following classes.
Part of the problem is the group mentality/culture (older/smarter has to help friends) - and the other is basically Asian society (focusing on the end (winning) and not the process (learning & achieving through self worth).
Anyway, cunning is here to stay in Korea. It's part of life and definately part of business practice. Just read the papers. |
Has anyone experimented with trying to offset this by including appropriate times to help (peer editing, group work) along with times when the individual is expected to do her own work? |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Atavistic wrote: |
What I hate is when I've written the word or answer ON THE BOARD and the students still do that stupid leaning over to their neighbors thing.
The other thing I hate is when they sit--frozen--unable to put their name on their paper because nobody else has done it. Sheep. |
Love your students man, love them first. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: Student complaining about copying/cheating |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Conning would make more sense. But then given the wide spread copying that goes on in business here (prostar, starpreya instead of starbucks) I would have to say copying is considered cunning. |
Conning would make sense, but so does cunning. You are smart to have someone else do your work for you: cunning.
I still remember the Korean guy from the late 90's(?) who won the first (?) Starcraft World Championship. He got into the final group of players by playing against himself and boosting his win percentage higher than anyone else. The newspapers reported what he had done and referred to his cunning tactics. I didn't know at the time that cunning was Konglish, and was angry that the paper approved of the fraudulent way he got into the final games.
Looking back on it, they weren't approving anything. They were calling him a cheater, but I didn't nderstand it at the time. Damn Konglish and its confusing meanings! |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| OiGirl wrote: |
| I'm generally with you on the no tattling. Any ideas on how to effectively balance no tattling with no bullying? |
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garykasparov
Joined: 27 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| oneofthesarahs wrote: |
| I generally implement a no tattling policy. It's really unfair for me to punish a kid for doing something that I didn't see them do. Plus many of my students delight in getting their friends in trouble and/or are whiny, so I'm not giving them the pleasure. I had one student tap another on the shoulder to ask a question, and the be-tapped student started screaming "TEACHER HE HIT!!" It's really annoying and I don't tolerate it. |
I shout at them "I'M YOUR TEACHER NOT YOUR FREAKIN' MOTHER NOW SIT DOWN SHUT UP AND ACT LIKE STUDENTS NOT LITTLE BABIES." |
And your a certified tough man. |
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ajuma
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| OiGirl wrote: |
| oldfatfarang wrote: |
'Cunning' is Konglish for our Western idea of 'cheating'. However, cheating/cunning isn't necessarily a bad thing in Korea (Confucian culture???) - perhaps only if you are caught out.
My co-teacher actually said some students were "smart students" when they were leaving their completed work for their friends in following classes.
Part of the problem is the group mentality/culture (older/smarter has to help friends) - and the other is basically Asian society (focusing on the end (winning) and not the process (learning & achieving through self worth).
Anyway, cunning is here to stay in Korea. It's part of life and definately part of business practice. Just read the papers. |
Has anyone experimented with trying to offset this by including appropriate times to help (peer editing, group work) along with times when the individual is expected to do her own work? |
I do virtually all group work in my classes. When I realized that the "cunning/conning" phenomenon would never go away, I switched my style and get much better results. Sure, the better students do most of the work (I rotate groups every class so the brains get spread around) but the I find that the lower level students pick up a fair amount.
Atavistic Possibly (and I'm not saying that this is true in every case!) the students can't see the board (tall person in front of them) or need glasses. Or, as in my case, the teacher has horrible handwriting and the students sometimes have to decipher it!  |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| ajuma wrote: |
| Atavistic Possibly (and I'm not saying that this is true in every case!) the students can't see the board (tall person in front of them) or need glasses. Or, as in my case, the teacher has horrible handwriting and the students sometimes have to decipher it! |
It's also possible they sit in the back row and sleep all class, hoping you won't notice. Unfortunately for them, I do notice and mark it on the seating plan. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| "Hacking" is generally used when playing cards. It basically means the other person is looking at another persons cards. |
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Natalia
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| When I first got to Korea I said, "No copying," to more than one class. They laughed at my pronunciation of 'conning'. After that I ended up with classes of kids yelling, "Teacher so and so connying." |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| ajuma wrote: |
Atavistic Possibly (and I'm not saying that this is true in every case!) the students can't see the board (tall person in front of them) or need glasses. Or, as in my case, the teacher has horrible handwriting and the students sometimes have to decipher it! |
The worst groups are when I have 12 kids for an after school class. There are six at each table. I assure you, they can all see. |
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