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davai!
Joined: 04 Dec 2005
Location: Kuwait
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 Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:15 am Post subject: Anti-American (Military) Petition in Subway |
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I was riding the Line 1 train tonight and a team of people came in with a petition. The main guy was speaking while holding a large picture of a burnt chair in a room full of rubble. I saw at least 20 people sign the petition, offered up by 3 or 4 others going through the car.
I kept hearing, "Miguk" and so I asked one of them what it was for... "Sorry, I can't tell you..."
I asked around and a woman told me that some US soldiers busted up a barbershop and wrote the "F" word on the mirror. She didn't mention any fire.
Anyone hear about this? |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| The people aren't probably too bright, so it doesn't matter. Just leave them to their ignorance of their actual problems and just blaming others. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:49 am Post subject: Re: Anti-American (Military) Petition in Subway |
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| davai! wrote: |
I asked around and a woman told me that some US soldiers busted up a barbershop and wrote the "F" word on the mirror. She didn't mention any fire.
Anyone hear about this? |
I would have signed it myself!
GI's tarnish the image of all foreigners in this country. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:07 am Post subject: Re: Anti-American (Military) Petition in Subway |
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| nautilus wrote: |
I would have signed it myself!
GI's tarnish the image of all foreigners in this country. |
Yeah, ya gotta hate how they work as a deterrant keeping the North from invading again. Maybe this wouldn't happen today (I emphasize maybe), but it sure would have sometime between '53 to a decade or so ago, when the South was more anti-North, the North was stronger economically, and China would have supported them. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:36 am Post subject: Re: Anti-American (Military) Petition in Subway |
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| cdninkorea wrote: |
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I would have signed it myself!
GI's tarnish the image of all foreigners in this country. |
Yeah, ya gotta hate how they work as a deterrant keeping the North from invading again. Maybe this wouldn't happen today (I emphasize maybe), but it sure would have sometime between '53 to a decade or so ago, when the South was more anti-North, the North was stronger economically, and China would have supported them. |
These brave men and women are here by no choice of their own and keep this place free. |
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bejarano-korea
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:47 am Post subject: |
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Nobody wants foreign troops on their soil, especially when they can't behave which makes that the majority. (teenage boys with more money than sense, I was one by the way)
Which is quite understandable, Germany, Korea, The Falklands, Cyprus: Nobody likes living in or near a squaddie/GI town. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:23 am Post subject: Re: Anti-American (Military) Petition in Subway |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| davai! wrote: |
I asked around and a woman told me that some US soldiers busted up a barbershop and wrote the "F" word on the mirror. She didn't mention any fire.
Anyone hear about this? |
I would have signed it myself!
GI's tarnish the image of all foreigners in this country. |
You would then be showing your own ignorance along with those of those circulating the petition. I suggest you scan the pages of Stars & Stripes on occasion. They often show members of the US military in Korea doing all kinds of community service.
Those circulating the petition are griping about a couple of soldiers doing something stupid? Of course, I hope that if it's true the perpetrators face appropriate punishment. I do wonder, though, why the petition writers didn't bother to mention the Korean cab driver and his two Korean buddies who kidnapped, raped, and murdered three Korean women in Seoul in the last month?
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| bejarano-korea wrote: |
Nobody wants foreign troops on their soil, especially when they can't behave which makes that the majority. (teenage boys with more money than sense, I was one by the way)
Which is quite understandable, Germany, Korea, The Falklands, Cyprus: Nobody likes living in or near a squaddie/GI town. |
I'd dearly like to see some credible statistics showing that the majority of the members of the US military in South Korea are "those who can't behave." |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:38 am Post subject: Re: Anti-American (Military) Petition in Subway |
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| regicide wrote: |
| These brave men and women are here by no choice of their own and keep this place free. |
Well, a number of them are here by their choice. Not only did they volunteer for service in the military as everyone else in the US military did, but they've also volunteered specifically for assignment to Korea.
I, of course, agree with you about their keeping this place free. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:39 am Post subject: Re: Anti-American (Military) Petition in Subway |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| davai! wrote: |
I asked around and a woman told me that some US soldiers busted up a barbershop and wrote the "F" word on the mirror. She didn't mention any fire.
Anyone hear about this? |
I would have signed it myself!
GI's tarnish the image of all foreigners in this country. |
Obviously we all tarnish the image of other foreigners at times. |
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bejarano-korea
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| bejarano-korea wrote: |
Nobody wants foreign troops on their soil, especially when they can't behave which makes that the majority. (teenage boys with more money than sense, I was one by the way)
Which is quite understandable, Germany, Korea, The Falklands, Cyprus: Nobody likes living in or near a squaddie/GI town. |
I'd dearly like to see some credible statistics showing that the majority of the members of the US military in South Korea are "those who can't behave." |
Oh please! spare me the moral highground. I was a soldier, were you?
If you were, you would know bad behaviour in the name of 'jolly japes' and 'high jinks' abound in squaddie/GI towns and the recipients of the bad behaviour were usually the local population.
And please spare me 'and they are defending your freedoms' crap an all,
first of all most soldiers in Korea won't have put Korea as their first choice posting so the main body are not there through choice.
And I, and anyone else with any decency about them defend freedoms by working hard, paying taxes, knowing right rom wrong and acting in a civilised manner.
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KOREAN_MAN
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| For so many different reasons, they have to go. Would you want Korean soldiers to protect your country who cause social problems occasionally? No, I didn't think so. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| bejarano-korea wrote: |
| Oh please! spare me the moral highground. I was a soldier, were you? |
Spare the rest of us your belief that your limited knowledge constitutes evidence. Not only did I serve in the US Army for 6 1/2 years, I also served in the US Navy for 13 1/2 years and retired from the latter at the rate of Petty Officer First Class. I served at duty stations in West Germany, the US, and Japan, along with deployments to various places in the Pacific.
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| If you were, you would know bad behaviour in the name of 'jolly japes' and 'high jinks' abound in squaddie/GI towns and the recipients of the bad behaviour were usually the local population. |
I know that some individuals, by no means most, behave badly. I also know that the military disciplines them.
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And please spare me 'and they are defending your freedoms' crap an all,
first of all most soldiers in Korea won't have put Korea as their first choice posting so the main body are not there through choice. |
You obviously did not bother to try to understand what I wrote. I'll give you another chance and, if you deign to respond to this posting, I'll explain it to you if you're still having trouble parsing it.
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| And I, and anyone else with any decency about them defend freedoms by working hard, paying taxes, knowing right rom wrong and acting in a civilised manner. |
And, evidently, so do the vast majority of the members of the US military serving in South Korea.
{Edited to correct silly grammatical error.}
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riley
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:04 am Post subject: |
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Nothing against soldiers of any country, but 19 year old guys are the same whether they are in the military or in university. That age group has a lot of energy and can find itself in a lot of trouble, in the military or in college.
It's not the 30 year old army guys who are getting into fights or harrassing the hookers, it's the young guys. Actually this is also true of the foriegn teachers too.
So when bejarano-korea posted about guys in the military, I assumed he meant the ones he knew when he joined up fresh out of high school. That's not the wisest age group anywhere. |
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bejarano-korea
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| Spare the rest of us your belief that you're limited knowledge constitutes evidence. Not only did I serve in the US Army for 6 1/2 years, I also served in the US Navy for 13 1/2 years and retired from the latter at the rate of Petty Officer First Class. I served at duty stations in West Germany, the US, and Japan, along with deployments to various places in the Pacific. |
Well you should know then.
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| I know that some individuals, by no means most, behave badly. I also know that the military disciplines them. |
Nowhere near all the time, if it is behavior where civil authorities end up arresting a serviceman then the individual charged might be on orders and then charged but most of the time, and usually through alcohol, the behaviour of drunken servicemen, even low level stuff affects the quality of life for the locals
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| You obviously did not bother to try to understand what I wrote. I'll give you another chance and, if you deign to respond to this posting, I'll explain it to you if you're still having trouble parsing it. |
No, I understood it well enough. Can I quote you on this too if I may?
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| Not only did they volunteer for service in the military as everyone else in the US military did, but they've also volunteered specifically for assignment to Korea. |
I wouldn't know anyone, especially the younger privates/ JNCOs who would volunteer to be stationed in Korea. Most servicemen want a home posting near their mum and dad and their girlfriend, so they an drive their 'phat' car that they accquired on HP during basic/trade training.
Secondly, they will want a plum posting, I don't think Korea consitutes as that do you?
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| And, evidently, so do the vast majority of the members of the US military serving in South Korea. |
Teenage boys with money. (and thats what most of them will be) will not behave well wherever they are. It might not be high level crime, but their behavior while drunk will affect quaity of life for the locals which will in turn sour opinions. |
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