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My Honest Korean Employer
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unknown9398



Joined: 03 Nov 2006
Location: Yeongcheon, S. Korea

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:48 pm    Post subject: My Honest Korean Employer Reply with quote

Some posters have written that no Koreans hogwan owners are trustworthy. I'd just like to say that not all Korean employers are dishonest.

I'll be leaving Korea in a month after completing my contract, and so today, I contacted the pension office to find out if my employer has been making payments into the fund. I was getting a little paranoid after all the negative comments here, but learned that the account is up to date and has exactly what it should have at this time.

Furthermore, my employers have been generous to me in many unexpected ways, and treated me like a valued employee for the entire year. Maybe my employer is unusual. I can't say for certain. But they're honorable people.
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merkurix



Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If people said that no hagwon owners are trustworthy, I am inclined to disagree with that statement. However, it seems that kind, good, and benevolent hagwon owners are few and far between. If you got yourself a kind one, congrats. Not everyone is as lucky as you.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what was your salary?
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unknown9398



Joined: 03 Nov 2006
Location: Yeongcheon, S. Korea

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just want to provide a little balance to this subject. Negative comments (as with bad news) always seem to be shouted the loudest, and perhaps rightfully so. I've been fortunate.
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unknown9398



Joined: 03 Nov 2006
Location: Yeongcheon, S. Korea

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
what was your salary?


2.2
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

unknown9398 wrote:
jinju wrote:
what was your salary?


2.2


So, right there, you were used.
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Masta_Don



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
unknown9398 wrote:
jinju wrote:
what was your salary?


2.2


So, right there, you were used.


C'mon, that's above average for a hakwon and if it was his first job, a well done salary.
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garykasparov



Joined: 27 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Were you taxed at 3.3%?
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Masta_Don wrote:
jinju wrote:
unknown9398 wrote:
jinju wrote:
what was your salary?


2.2


So, right there, you were used.


C'mon, that's above average for a hakwon and if it was his first job, a well done salary.


17 hours a day is pretty good for a sweat shop, too..below industry average
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merkurix



Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Folks, what's with the 20 questions test of benevolence? If the OP is happy and has been given no reason to believe his boss is a wretch, well, then it just might be that his boss is a rare good guy. So what if he is not getting 3.2 mil with only 16 teaching hours a week, 8 weeks vacation and a 28 pyong apartment? He is giving a positive subjective evaluation of his boss's character, and if it's a good hagwon, it's a good hagwon. They are out there; flowers among many weeds.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

merkurix wrote:
Folks, what's with the 20 questions test of benevolence? If the OP is happy and has been given no reason to believe his boss is a wretch, well, then it just might be that his boss is a rare good guy. So what if he is not getting 3.2 mil with only 16 teaching hours a week, 8 weeks vacation and a 28 pyong apartment? He is giving a positive subjective evaluation of his boss's character, and if it's a good hagwon, it's a good hagwon. They are out there; flowers among many weeds.


at 2.2 I wouldnt call it a flower. maybe grass or if you want to say flower something they dont sell in flowershops. Not a rose for sure.
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unknown9398



Joined: 03 Nov 2006
Location: Yeongcheon, S. Korea

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The salary was 2.2 for 20 classroom hours a week, with virtually no preparation time. I never had to deal with a co-teacher, which I consider a small bonus. Working hours have been excellent (usually 3-9 PM), which means I can sleep in every day. If I didn't have to return to the U.S. to take care of some business there, I'd stay on. All in all, this has been the easiest, most stress-free job I've ever had.

I get the impression that the only people who think I've been taken advantage of for 2.2 are those that have little experience working a "real" job in the U.S., where the 9 to 5 grind is stressful enough to make you a little crazy. Comparatively, working in a hogwan is a breeze.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

unknown9398 wrote:
The salary was 2.2 for 20 classroom hours a week, with virtually no preparation time. I never had to deal with a co-teacher, which I consider a small bonus. Working hours have been excellent (usually 3-9 PM), which means I can sleep in every day. If I didn't have to return to the U.S. to take care of some business there, I'd stay on. All in all, this has been the easiest, most stress-free job I've ever had.

I get the impression that the only people who think I've been taken advantage of for 2.2 are those that have little experience working a "real" job in the U.S., where the 9 to 5 grind is stressful enough to make you a little crazy. Comparatively, working in a hogwan is a breeze.


Or maybe people making 50% more for less classroom hours.

1. Id never work for 2.2
2. Id never work in a hagwon.

You were taken advantage of. Just because you were paid slightly more than other hagwon teachers doesnt mean you got a great deal.
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unknown9398



Joined: 03 Nov 2006
Location: Yeongcheon, S. Korea

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
You were taken advantage of. Just because you were paid slightly more than other hagwon teachers doesnt mean you got a great deal.


I respectfully disagree that my employer took advantage of me. We agreed to the terms of employment, and both of us did as promised. I didn't say I got a great deal. Only that my employer was honest.

That a particular job doesn't pay top wages doesn't mean the employer is taking advantage.
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OneWayTraffic



Joined: 14 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And how long have you been in Korea? 2.2 is market rate for first jobs. Market rate isn't explotation. I too am making over twice this, though I work considerably more than 20 hours but then I've been here 6 years with an F2. My first job was 1.7 and I wasn't exploited at all.
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