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Anti-American (Military) Petition in Subway
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
Central Cali- why is the US in a country where the majority of the population hate them being here and don't want them to be here?


My best guess: strategic location for the US. Who cares what some overemotional morons think about it? Bush certainly doesn't.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
nautilus wrote:
Central Cali- why is the US in a country where the majority of the population hate them being here and don't want them to be here?


My best guess: strategic location for the US. Who cares what some overemotional morons think about it? Bush certainly doesn't.


More to the point: The South Korean government asked--actually, they begged--for the United States to have military forces permanently stationed here.
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genezorm



Joined: 01 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Anti-American (Military) Petition in Subway Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
davai! wrote:

I asked around and a woman told me that some US soldiers busted up a barbershop and wrote the "F" word on the mirror. She didn't mention any fire.
Anyone hear about this?


I would have signed it myself!
GI's tarnish the image of all foreigners in this country.


yeah them and those wanna be english teachers with fake degrees and using illegal drugs and stealing korean womens
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RJjr



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True. While many of the GIs may not be choirboys, we in the ESL community are a more obnoxious and visible crowd.
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was a soldier for 5 and half years, with 2 and half of those years spent assigned in Korea.

One thing every CDR notices is that when there is a training exercise, the crime rate offbase goes down. But once they get back onbase and are at stand-down, the crime rate remarkably goes up....this is especially true for Brigade and Division-level exercises where thousands of service members are participating in the exercise (though I hear that many of the exercises are now conducted onbase, the soldiers are on lockdown for the remainder of the exercise) and I can tell you from a lower-enlisted point of view that once the FTX recovery is complete and they are on stand-down, all hell breaks loose.

Why do you think the CDR-2ID instituted a midnight to 6 curfew offbase thats been in effect since 1995? To curtail the possibility of crimes being committed offbase (and the other reason is the high op-tempo of the division, but the reasons I was given by MPs is the crime rate)


While ETs/FTs might be rowdy and arrogant in their own way, they are far better than the teenage or 20-something soldier after a month-long exercise...

True, there are instances where teachers date local women, but at least they know better than to just get up and leave if the woman is pregnant like soldiers do (which was an issue a long time ago)....

Yes, some teachers use drugs, but alot of them don't get as out of hand as a soldier might after a hard night of binge drinking....

And yes, many of teachers might come to Korea with fake credentials. But I know alot of those people tend to get screwed more by employers and take fewer risks getting their money, so they tend to leave Korea after a certain amount of time, if they arent' married.

True, ETs/FTs are not angels in anyway, but are far better crowd than the average gaggle of soldiers
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gdimension



Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Location: Jeju

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
Ilsanman wrote:
Why didn't we get invaded? Because we made sure to defend ourselves.


Sure. Which is why you're unable to see what it would feel like for other countries.

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Ask france and Poland about being invaded. Along with many more European nations.


I have asked them. French, Poles, Dutch, etc. the general consensus is: it sucks to have foreign troops on your soil.

Which is why Koreans don't like having americans treating the place like their backyard.

As I said, the sooner USFK leave, the better.

It will help koreans to grow up, truly stand on their own feet, and relate to foreigners without a jaundiced view.

For 50 years, virtually every foreigner in this country was an american. is it any wonder they assume everyone not korean is american, and react accordingly? because they've had ill-behaved youths running riot here for decades. How would you feel? try hard to put yourself in their place now.

If the outcome is an immediate invasion by the norks, then so be it. let the cards fall as they may. Its time koreans pursued their own destiny and determination without having someone else to blame.


I'm not really sure where you get those ideas:

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a recent face-to-face survey of more than 1,000 South Korean citizens (20 years or older) regarding inter-Korean and foreign relations reveals a much more complex and nuanced picture and may offer a few surprises to those who have written off the country as no longer a solid US ally.

Contrary to what we frequently hear from South Korean and US media, even from other Korea scholars and Asia watchers, the top concern among South Koreans is their own national security. The increased anxiety over the North Korean threat and wariness of China may partially explain why South Koreans are drawing closer to the US.


And:

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Similarly, the American press has extensively reported rising anti-American sentiments in South Korea in recent years, especially among the younger generation. However, the survey results show that public opinion is, on the whole, favorable toward the US. And the overwhelming majority (92 percent) believes that the South Korea-US alliance should either be maintained or strengthened. Only a small minority (8 percent) says that the alliance should be weakened or terminated.


Finally:
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A majority (55 percent) believe that South Korea, being surrounded by China, Russia, and Japan, should ally itself with a distant power, the US, in order to strengthen its security. A similar percentage is opposed to a precipitous withdrawal of the US troops stationed in South Korea (57 percent). Contrary to the critical comment recently made by Sen. Hillary Clinton that South Koreans are forgetting US contributions to Korea's development, 54 percent believe that the security provided by the US troops has contributed to economic prosperity.


The full article, from August 13, 2007 may be read here.

I think you are paying too much attention to the yahoos.
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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the GIs I've seen walking around in Korea have looked like they were nothing but trouble.

Big, redneck retards with overactive libidos lacking a High School education.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IncognitoHFX wrote:
Most of the GIs I've seen walking around in Korea have looked like they were nothing but trouble.

Big, redneck retards with overactive libidos lacking a High School education.


Interesting assertion, there. Perhaps you're unaware of the minimum requirements for enlistment in the US Army:
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The basic qualifications for enlistment in the U.S. Army include:

� being from 17 to 34 years old
� be a U.S. citizen or resident alien, (must have the I-551)
� have a high school diploma or equivalent (such as a GED)
� be single with no children or married with 2 or less children
� pass the ASVAB test and
� pass the physical


The equivalents for a high school diploma as pertains to enlistment are listed here:
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For Army enlistment purposes, the following educational credentials are defined as Tier 1, equivalent to a high school diploma:

(1) A diploma issued to an individual who has attended and completed a 12-year or grade day program of classroom instruction. The diploma must be issued from the school where the individual completed the program requirements.

(2) A secondary school diploma awarded on the basis of attending and completing an adult education or external diploma program, regardless of whether the diploma was issued by a secondary or postsecondary educational institution. The diploma must have been issued as a result of attendance, not issued solely on the basis of a test. Accordingly, a GED certificate is not considered equivalent for Army enlistment purposes; it is considered Tier 2.

(3) Successful completion of at least 15 semester hours (or 22 quarter hours, or 675 clock hours) of college-level credit from an educational institution that maintains accreditation in the current Accredited Institutions of Postsecondary Education book. Credit that is earned through testing or for the pursuit of high school completion is considered Tier 2.

(4) Home School Diplomas are Tier 1, provided transcriptsaccompany them and they are certified by the State Education Department or the local school district.

(5) GED certificates earned through the National Guard Youth Challenge Program (NGYCP), or accredited state Job Corps Centers, are considered Tier 1 if accompanied by the NGYCP certificate or Job Corps Center completion certificate.

The Army�s recruiting and enlistment policies seek to provide the best quality Army, at the least possible cost, by enlisting those men and women who have the greatest aptitude for military service and the highest probability of successfully completing an enlistment. Soldiers who are not high school graduates (including those who possess GED certificates) fail to complete their initial term of enlistment at a rate nearly twice that of high school graduates. At the same time, the Armed Forces Qualification Test is the primary indicator of aptitude for military training, and applicants must score 50 or higher on this test.
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Mosley



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I recall correctly Incognito was the guy who proclaimed his English teaching prowess in the first week he was here.

Here's a guy who's 23(right?), just got a philosophy(!) degree from a rinky-dink univ. in Nova Scotia(a province w/a fine military tradition, I might add...though Incognito apparently insulated himself from such savagery by gazing starry-eyed at some tenured hack droning on about Marx or Sartre), and now he's here in the Land of the Morning Garbage Truck passing judgement on those who are largely responsible for his having his hakwan opportunity. Since ya don't get it, I'll spell it out fer ya:

Those big, horny, retarded, redneck(and above all, uneducated) GIs do more for Western civilization in one day of training than do all the Engrishee teachers on this peculiar peninsula in a year.

Give me an "uneducated" GI over a MISeducated Canadian liberal arts grad anyday.


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Fresh Prince



Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a lot of people need to watch the CNN special on North Korea, and the one on China before forming an opinion on whether the GI's in Korea are a bad thing.
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I base my opinion on my own experience on what I saw as a soldier in Korea...
I know the USFK-CFC-UNC was set up are a deterrent to the North-Chinese military pact.

What is debatable is the fact that they usually get away with the things they do under the guise of SOFA.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat06513 wrote:
What is debatable is the fact that they usually get away with the things they do under the guise of SOFA.


I'm still waiting to see proof of "getting away with things." And the SOFA is certainly no haven. Either the Korean authorities discipline the individual or the US military authorities do.
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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mosley wrote:
If I recall correctly Incognito was the guy who proclaimed his English teaching prowess in the first week he was here.

Here's a guy who's 23(right?), just got a philosophy(!) degree from a rinky-dink univ. in Nova Scotia(a province w/a fine military tradition, I might add...though Incognito apparently insulated himself from such savagery by gazing starry-eyed at some tenured hack droning on about Marx or Sartre), and now he's here in the Land of the Morning Garbage Truck passing judgement on those who are largely responsible for his having his hakwan opportunity. Since ya don't get it, I'll spell it out fer ya:

Those big, horny, retarded, redneck(and above all, uneducated) GIs do more for Western civilization in one day of training than do all the Engrishee teachers on this peculiar peninsula in a year.

Give me an "uneducated" GI over a MISeducated Canadian liberal arts grad anyday.


I was in the Air Force Reserves for two years, dipsh*t. Paid for my first year of university that way. I've been to boot camp (BMQ - Borden 2002), I have a pretty good idea what its about.

...and my university is in the upper echelon of universities in Canada in terms of recognition, with the third best business programme in the entire country.

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Those big, horny, retarded, redneck(and above all, uneducated) GIs do more for Western civilization in one day of training than do all the Engrishee teachers on this peculiar peninsula in a year.


Whatever point you were trying to make was just completely obliterated by this nonsense.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IncognitoHFX wrote:
Most of the GIs I've seen walking around in Korea have looked like they were nothing but trouble.

Big, redneck retards with overactive libidos lacking a High School education.


Yes, because making generalizations like that makes you look so enlightened by comparison Rolling Eyes
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
keep your language clean when you address me.


Laughing Laughing
What language were you objecting to exactly? please specify.

Koon TaunDaeng wrote:
I think America should keep out of everyones business the way they keep out of africas.


And this is the telling point. CentralCali is trying to portray an honorable defence of USFK as a noble and generous entity, saving the world from itself, etc.
But then why not intervene in Africa? I read interviews with ordinary citizens in Zimbabwe who kept saying they wished the US army, or the UN would invade and oversee free elections for a new govt. Really, the US army could've toppled Mugabe in their lunch break. But do they care? Do they care about Sudan? Did they go in to Rwanda etc? No. Don't they want allies in Africa?
Plenty of resources they're missing out on - which are going to the Chinese now instead. Why would they then by contrast devote massive resources to maintaining forces in a country without natural resources, that can stand on their own feet militarily, that by and large doesn't want them there?? Didn't they see the massive protests on the streets of Seoul 3/4 years ago? In a country where their bases are constantly under siege from anti-US protesters?
There are far more worthy problems to be solved in the world to let masses of troops sit idle in SK.
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