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in depth 60 minutes: KBS' expose on English teachers.
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crazy_arcade



Joined: 05 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:33 pm    Post subject: in depth 60 minutes: KBS' expose on English teachers. Reply with quote

watch the video here:

http://www.mongdori.com/forums/read.php?2,589
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GoldMember



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What was disturbing about the program is the way the police cooperated with the journalists. The police were engaging in character assasination, lies (Teachers make 2m a month plus up to 400% more doing privates) and trial by media.
Here we have the police and journos saying look at these corrupt and immoral people when they themselves are corrupt.
The reporters were allowed inside a teachers apartment.
What were they doing there? It's trespass. Obviously the police let them into the apartment. The police are sanctioning trespass, and an invasion of privacy.
A Mexican was busted. His passport (Mexican government property) was handed over to the TV crew so they could take shots of the passport.
The access the TV crew had to police interviews, police premises, and evidence was incredible.
The accused are meant to be innocent until proven guilty. This is not how they were treated.
The police here also engage in such atrotious behavior towards Korean accused.
In a country with a civilized legal system, such behavior would be enough to have a legal case dismissed as such reporting can prejudice a persons right to a fair trial.
No such thing as a fair trial in Korea, by the way. Judges basically rubber stamp, the accusations police make, just like North Korea.
In Korea the biggest criminal gangs are the police and the judiciary.
How about an investigation into the Police here, their incompetence, and the bribes they take.
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Letiz7



Joined: 29 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said.
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And yet no one will ever blame the joke of a system Korea has set up. Barely, if any, background checking, a joke of a system to catch fake degrees, on top of the already strong xenophobia.

But really, when it comes down to it, if you're coming to a nation like Korea, you're kind of waiving any rights you'd have in a Western nation.
Remember, folks, rule of law is NOT the basis of Korean society, as such, you can't always expect innocence until proven guilt, freedom of speech/press or even freedom of property. There may be laws on the books protecting these things, but the laws are for show. On a whim they're gone, especially when the country needs a good scapegoat to focus on.
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ceesgetdegrees



Joined: 12 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotticus wrote:
And yet no one will ever blame the joke of a system Korea has set up. Barely, if any, background checking, a joke of a system to catch fake degrees, on top of the already strong xenophobia.
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Good point, complete joke really. All this animosity towards foreigners yet they have only themseleves to blame for the situation by having had such lax visa laws.
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reactionary



Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

come on, if they made it very difficult to come here, no one would come here. background checks? how is a hagwon going to staff its position for NEXT WEEK if those are around?

and any increase on the amount of effort needed for a teacher to come to korea would immediately set his/her sights on japan.

i think korea realizes this - not many people truly want to be here for reasons other than money and convenience. how many japanese language institutes, even ones with bad reps (the big three) will hire on the phone? i would've had a 2 day interview over in LA if i had gone with Aeon. Imagine if Pagoda did that.
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GoldMember wrote:
What was disturbing about the program is the way the police cooperated with the journalists. The police were engaging in character assasination, lies (Teachers make 2m a month plus up to 400% more doing privates) and trial by media.
Here we have the police and journos saying look at these corrupt and immoral people when they themselves are corrupt.
The reporters were allowed inside a teachers apartment.
What were they doing there? It's trespass. Obviously the police let them into the apartment. The police are sanctioning trespass, and an invasion of privacy.
A Mexican was busted. His passport (Mexican government property) was handed over to the TV crew so they could take shots of the passport.
The access the TV crew had to police interviews, police premises, and evidence was incredible.
The accused are meant to be innocent until proven guilty. This is not how they were treated.
The police here also engage in such atrotious behavior towards Korean accused.
In a country with a civilized legal system, such behavior would be enough to have a legal case dismissed as such reporting can prejudice a persons right to a fair trial.
No such thing as a fair trial in Korea, by the way. Judges basically rubber stamp, the accusations police make, just like North Korea.
In Korea the biggest criminal gangs are the police and the judiciary.
How about an investigation into the Police here, their incompetence, and the bribes they take.


A bit of advice for you. If you ever go to Thailand do not get in any trouble in Pattaya or your passport information page will be photographed and put in the Pattay Mail with your story and photo of you at the cop shop etc.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsquirrel wrote:
GoldMember wrote:
What was disturbing about the program is the way the police cooperated with the journalists. The police were engaging in character assasination, lies (Teachers make 2m a month plus up to 400% more doing privates) and trial by media.
Here we have the police and journos saying look at these corrupt and immoral people when they themselves are corrupt.
The reporters were allowed inside a teachers apartment.
What were they doing there? It's trespass. Obviously the police let them into the apartment. The police are sanctioning trespass, and an invasion of privacy.
A Mexican was busted. His passport (Mexican government property) was handed over to the TV crew so they could take shots of the passport.
The access the TV crew had to police interviews, police premises, and evidence was incredible.
The accused are meant to be innocent until proven guilty. This is not how they were treated.
The police here also engage in such atrotious behavior towards Korean accused.
In a country with a civilized legal system, such behavior would be enough to have a legal case dismissed as such reporting can prejudice a persons right to a fair trial.
No such thing as a fair trial in Korea, by the way. Judges basically rubber stamp, the accusations police make, just like North Korea.
In Korea the biggest criminal gangs are the police and the judiciary.
How about an investigation into the Police here, their incompetence, and the bribes they take.


A bit of advice for you. If you ever go to Thailand do not get in any trouble in Pattaya or your passport information page will be photographed and put in the Pattay Mail with your story and photo of you at the cop shop etc.


Please share your story!
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indytrucks



Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotticus wrote:
But really, when it comes down to it, if you're coming to a nation like Korea, you're kind of waiving any rights you'd have in a Western nation.
Remember, folks, rule of law is NOT the basis of Korean society, as such, you can't always expect innocence until proven guilt, freedom of speech/press or even freedom of property.


* clouds part, a ray of light suddenly cascades down on all below, angels strumming harps immediately descend and are heard in full voice singing 'Halleluja!' *

My God. Someone actually understands. Sticky this post.
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ceesgetdegrees



Joined: 12 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsquirrel wrote:


A bit of advice for you. If you ever go to Thailand do not get in any trouble in Pattaya or your passport information page will be photographed and put in the Pattay Mail with your story and photo of you at the cop shop etc.



How do they always get such kick ass photo's in that rag? The online edition is freaking hilarious, every sort of debauched behaviour exhibited with full colour pics of the perps.
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the eye



Joined: 29 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ceesgetdegrees wrote:
mrsquirrel wrote:


A bit of advice for you. If you ever go to Thailand do not get in any trouble in Pattaya or your passport information page will be photographed and put in the Pattay Mail with your story and photo of you at the cop shop etc.



How do they always get such kick ass photo's in that rag? The online edition is freaking hilarious, every sort of debauched behaviour exhibited with full colour pics of the perps.


Link Please! I found the online edition but no funny pics! Crying or Very sad
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For example (no passport photo though)

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Korean locked-up after alleged sexual assault inside Entertainment Complex in Naklua.


A case now which originated from the Star Dice Entertainment Complex in Naklua and led to the arrest of a Korean Tourist. Police Lieutenant Colonel Chayaporn from Pattaya Police Station was called to the venue in the early hours of Thursday Morning after a complaint was received by a singer employed at the venue. She claimed that the Korean Man had placed his hands on her chest as she was performing. Police arrived and had to restrain Mr. Jun Yong Kim aged 32 after he showed aggression towards the arresting officers. At the Police Station, Mr. Kim denied the allegations made by Khun Monchadar aged 32 who confirmed that she slapped the man on his face after he placed his hands on her chest who then attempted to repeat his actions. Mr. Kim, who was in a drunken state, was placed behind bars for the night pending further investigations.



http://www.pattayacitynews.net/news_06_09_50_4.htm
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shifdog



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsquirrel wrote:

Quote:
Korean locked-up after alleged sexual assault inside Entertainment Complex in Naklua.


A case now which originated from the Star Dice Entertainment Complex in Naklua and led to the arrest of a Korean Tourist. Police Lieutenant Colonel Chayaporn from Pattaya Police Station was called to the venue in the early hours of Thursday Morning after a complaint was received by a singer employed at the venue. She claimed that the Korean Man had placed his hands on her chest as she was performing. Police arrived and had to restrain Mr. Jun Yong Kim aged 32 after he showed aggression towards the arresting officers. At the Police Station, Mr. Kim denied the allegations made by Khun Monchadar aged 32 who confirmed that she slapped the man on his face after he placed his hands on her chest who then attempted to repeat his actions. Mr. Kim, who was in a drunken state, was placed behind bars for the night pending further investigations.


The poor guy just got drunk and thought he was in Korea Sad
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the eye



Joined: 29 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha. i deleted my reply. Yours is much funnier.
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do a search and you should find a whole list of Korean related stories, there was a good one about a Korean nightclub getting busted for drugs and lots of Koreans failing pee tests

Even better Koreans and lady boy stories.

Thankyourselves lucky we only get picked on for a bit of moonlighting and porking the local female population. Imagine how bad it would be if we were accused of chaisng their third genders as well.
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