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Anti-American (Military) Petition in Subway
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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:

IncognitoHFX wrote:

Big, redneck retards with overactive libidos lacking a High School education.


That looks like a rather large steaming pile of hatred to me, all I did was call you on it


Yup, colour me a bigot all you want.
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Don Gately



Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Location: In a basement taking a severe beating

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IncognitoHFX wrote:
Don Gately wrote:
IncognitoHFX wrote:

You don't have to try and relate anymore, don't have to think about what you were like when you first came?


On the contrary, you are exactly what I was like when I first got to Korea. I think that's what makes it so infuriating.

Hopefully you come through wiser but with some of the optimism still intact.

Demonizing GIs or demonizing Muslims or demonizing Koreans or demonizing in general is all counterproductive. No one is the villain in the story of their own lives. I've known good hippy Canadians and I've known good American GIs, and I've known assholes of the same breeds. It's true that people interacting with the one *beep* out of the same group paint the rest with the same brush. I just think we should fight against that impulse if we can and take them as individeuals.


I think we're as on the same page as we're ever going to get, so yes, I agree completely. This place really gets on my nerves. I can't reveal an opinion, no matter how well thought-out or non-invasive or anything, without feeling like I'm being judged on the criteria I've posted above. Often I'm attacked on any one of those criteria, or all of them simultaneously, which makes me want to provoke it and fight in the open rather than with random snarky-ness.

Guess the only way to prove to this place that I'm not a running, washed up, half-baked, liberal arts grad Canadian is simply to be here for a long time and gravitate away from newbism. Or dump the place altogether. I don't really think its helping me adjust to Korea like it used to. I have my friends for that.


Well, I've sworn off the board before and I'll swear off the board again.

When you come right down to it, the people you find on this board (and on expats) represent a significant part of the expat community in Korea.

It might not be the happy segment of the community. Or the successful segment. Or the well-adjusted segment. Or the sober segment. But I think it is the experienced segment.

So, I guess for newbies, I'd say try to take the knowledge and leave the bitterness, if you can. Not an easy feat. I didn't pull it off.
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Mosley



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, Incognito says he was in the CF Air Farce Reserves. Hell, it's almost like he was in the military! Laughing

Fine. You wanna call me a dipshyte(very intellectual compared to the terms I applied to you), laddybuck? Fine. I have no great military credentials to compare. Eight years, mostly PPCLI, in the ranks. Peacetime? Yep, but I had no choice in that. Peacekeeping tours? Yep, and you know "peacekeeping" is the fantasy notion that the NDPers still cling to even in the 9/11 world.

So, in your unidentified documentary, your Noam Chomsky fantasies come alive with rednecks(curious, given that leftists are always claiming that US blacks do the bulk of combat duty for the US military) screaming out obscenities against Muslims. Not like the CF under Liberal governments, where "human rights, womens' rights" yada, yada, were the order of the day. Warms the coc kles of me heart, it do. I'm bleeding purple panther piss as I type this.

Peppermint, as I recall, spent a fair no. of yrs. in Seoul. I don't always agree w/her posts but I reckon she met a fair no. of GIs(inevitable if you live in Seoul long enough) . I daresay she met GIs who were great guys and those who were jerks. C'est la vie. But you want to label them all assholes? As you said, a "well-thought opinion". Laughing

You're coming across as a caricature of the "young, enlightened, 'cool', 'progressive' newbie" you're seeking to promote. In any event, tolerance and an open mind(ouch! that smarts!) are not emanating from your posts.
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jaderedux2



Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Location: lurking just lurking

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who knows Miss Peppermint she was an active member in the expat community. She knew all kinds of people and I have had several long conversations with her. She was interesting, level headed and took the time to know the culture here.

She would never tolerate crap from anyone and she if she sees or hears it she is not afraid to call you on it. I know she had/has some friends connected with or in the military so she can speak from experience.

What I hate from a number of "newbies" (not fond of that term either) is the lazy intellectualism that comes with anti-military, anti-Americanism. Too easy. Its like saying "I am against having a sharp stick poked in my eye." Duh! America/Americans are as diverse as any population. We are a complex society that is struggling like most developed nations have as our role changes in the world. England struggled with the same things so did France and Spain. Hopefully after shrub is gone in forgotten, our government can find a way to repair the horrific damage and become better global citizens.

Sadly we are a bit paranoid right now and I guess rightly so sometimes but we still are the first country people look too when a disaster happens And foolishly or not we show up with help and normally show up fast.

And as a p.s. a good number of the men in my family served in the Armed Forces. None of them were red-necks, stupid or anything but honorable during a time when their country called. They were all volunteers.

Jade
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Neil



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: Tokyo

PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I drove past a protest outside the Yongsan base yesterday. About 70 odd Koreans there.

I thought it was interesting to note that 90% of the protesters were college aged (a few looked like high school kids) and the crowd was pretty much all male.

Make of that what you will.
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