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Rock



Joined: 25 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:58 pm    Post subject: Are You Just a Clique? Reply with quote

When I'd come to Korea, I didn't want to know. How about all of you? Not that I wanted to escape something. I wanted to 'feel' far away, somewhere remote, crave solititude, not know where I was.

There's something to be said about that, craving solitude, not knowing. Maybe's it's simplicity. Or maybe it's the fact that it's soulfully soothing.

I think, too, many N. Americans were built this way. I'd lived months without seeing a foreigner like me, as I'd lived way out in the countryside. Loved it, did my best, fell into technological trappings and now feel lost.

Before I'd felt I was somewhere, even though I didn't want to know where. Didn't even have an email account, cp, computer. Now, I feel as if I'm just a clique.
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Masta_Don



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I can dig on what you're saying. I was mania-driven when I first came here. Go out to the bars every night, always looking for an adventure or something to do. Now I spend way too much time in front of my computer and there are days that the only time I leave the house before the sun goes down are to play the drum game at the arcade. Everything gets stale after a while and that's why I have to keep moving, to keep myself interested.
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The evil penguin



Joined: 24 May 2003
Location: Doing something naughty near you.....

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Are You Just a Clique? Reply with quote

Rock wrote:
When I'd come to Korea, I didn't want to know. How about all of you? Not that I wanted to escape something. I wanted to 'feel' far away, somewhere remote, crave solititude, not know where I was.

There's something to be said about that, craving solitude, not knowing. Maybe's it's simplicity. Or maybe it's the fact that it's soulfully soothing.

I think, too, many N. Americans were built this way. I'd lived months without seeing a foreigner like me, as I'd lived way out in the countryside. Loved it, did my best, fell into technological trappings and now feel lost.

Before I'd felt I was somewhere, even though I didn't want to know where. Didn't even have an email account, cp, computer. Now, I feel as if I'm just a clique.


yeah, can relate. Its funny how going to korea was a way to do somehting different... to break out of the packaged life we seem to be forced into in mainstream society.

Now its become somehting different. I tell people I used to live and work over there and now everybody seems to know somebody else doing it. English teaching overseas. Embarrassing in a way. Its almost become like a right of passage now somehow.

I never really got into the regular bar thing when i was over there... more into solo cruising the countryside by bike and so on. So i guess I wasn't really a 'cliche english teacher' as such. But i suppose I was heavily into snorting cocaine, groping old grandmothers on the subway, and spreading birdflu and HIV..... maybe I was a typical foreign english teacher afterall.....
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just4u



Joined: 30 May 2007
Location: Georgia, USA

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clique, or cliche?
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reading that post sent me off into a 3-day psychotic LSD flashback that lasted 10 seconds in real time.
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moi, the nucleus of a stinking little micro-clique? Hell no.

Amazingly handsome & talented movie star, yes ... Wink
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twg



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...

PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

William G: Clique of One

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Treefarmer



Joined: 29 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

even most koreans don't do anything except play on computer games or get drunk

england gets laughed at for being the 51st state, but at least we would be like New York State or something. korea is like one of the dull states in the middle
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of my friends are in cliques but I do my best to stay out of them. I'm tired of high-school politics among friends.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Most of my friends are in cliques but I do my best to stay out of them. I'm tired of high-school politics among friends.

Yeah, it's funny. You see people asking questions in search of information to tell their other friends. Gossip is friendship glue of the weakest bond. But glue sniffing is addictive.

Rock wrote:
...I didn't want to know... I wanted to 'feel' far away, somewhere remote, crave solititude, not know where I was.... it's soulfully soothing.... in the countryside.

I love that! One of the benefits of teaching in a small town and travelling on weekends to new places is I get that feeling at times.

Rock wrote:
....fell into technological trappings and now feel lost.... email account, cp, computer. Now, I feel as if I'm just a clique.

People expect you to check your email everyday or more often. I found ICQ and any instant messaging method as oppressive as anything, demanding attention and information. I give people my phone number and really enjoy a good chat on the phone or over coffee but it seems 'technological trappings' is what's happening most often these days. Unsatisfying.

Sounds like you ('Rock') don't wanna head toward a kind of perpetually interconnected hive mind:

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VirginIslander



Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first year I spent a lot of time in the bars and on Daves. Now, I'm able to stay away from the bars but not Daves, yet.

I always see an old woman standing outside my building, just watching the cars and people. She seems lonely but very kind.

She must be close to 90, if not older. She smiles at me and I nod and smile back. I wish I knew enough Korean to be able to talk to her about her life. I've spoken to her few times and she asked me to call her grandmother.

She's more interesting than the average drunk at the bar. I used to love talking to older people in the islands, but I could communicate with them. So, Im going to start studying even more and try to learn from her.

I'm trying to find ways to make thing more enjoyable and new in Korea. I did a lot of kayaking and sailing in the Caribbean and if I return after this year I will cough up the 1.5 and buy a really nice kayak. However, the Korean lifeguards probably wont let me leave the sandbar.

Traveling to all the hot spots in Asia is too cliche for me. I'll visit Nepal because my best friend's parents live there, Thailand stricly to study Muay Thai and cooking for a month or two and Japan because my girlfriend speaks Japanese pretty well.

Originality and novelty are out there; you just have to be willing to find it.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And on the topic of cliches, I'd just like to say I break every cliche that I could be accused of.
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Rock



Joined: 25 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, some of you Europeans and Canadians alongside seem so much more enlightened and in some respects, more intelligent than Americans. This is what wants me make a distinquishment.

There's a part of me that's wild, a part of Americans, I can't describe. I feel wolfish at times, hungering for the hunt, haunting local dogs, howling at stern cages, wanting to let it all go.

Ran one time naked in the night, a dog beside me. Felt the moon dripping on my canines, the drool of the creek crooked crossing. By Old Man Schwains, who'd built a bridge for no reason other than to burn his house down after an adulterous affair. Stare, looking at the ashes of the dead, Ronald B and others near.

I've studied the native lore, the tribes that were once there. This is what I'm saying. There's something N. Americans have inherited bordering on more than just welfare. And now, in Korea, it haunts me again, since I'd been so civilized, they thinking, this is all a democracy, what we're here for.

I came here to escape that lie.
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clich�s Of The World (b Movie)
by R.D. Davies


Sunset over the high-rise,
By a motorway,
A little man looks up at the sky.
An uneventful end to a wasted day.
Close-up on the man at the window,
Looking at the street down below.
It's obvious he's got things on his mind.
He shakes his head, pulls down the blind.

He start's writing a letter,
To make it perfectly clear.
He's just a man who's reached the end of his rope,
Expressing his doubts and his fears.
In a world, feels so lonely and afraid,
Disillusioned by the promises they made,
It's a pity that it ended up this way,
Life is just a clich�.

I'm gonna do tomorrow
What i did yesterday.
It's such a dull routine,
Somebody cut this scene,
It's such a boring clich�.

Live life, day to day,
Seems so pass�.
Everything you hear and say,
Just another clich�.

Like an actor on a movie screen,
Living out someone else's dream.
Living out a total misconception,
Reality, a false perception.

It's such a wasted life,
Without any conclusion.

Days drift into days,
His life just slips away.
People so blas�,
Everything's a clich�.
Yes it is.
Yes it is.
Just an illusion.
Just an illusion.

Moonlight over the high-rise,
At the end of the day.
The little man is asleep in his bed,
Tucked up, safely away.

In his dreams he's taken away by alien beings to another
Galaxy, deep in space. to a planet where a man can live
Out his fantasies, and experience unimaginable pleasures.
But morning comes and soon the realities of life will
Shatter his illusions, and the clich�s of the world will
Bring him down. but still he's waiting for a change.

Days drift into days,
His life just slips away.
Everything is pass�,
Everything's a clich�.
Yes it is.
Yes it is.
Just an illusion.
Just an illusion.
Yes it is.
Yes it is.

See the sunlight over the motorway,
The little man, with anger in his eyes,
Stands by the window, looks at the sky.
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just4u



Joined: 30 May 2007
Location: Georgia, USA

PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Treefarmer wrote:
even most koreans don't do anything except play on computer games or get drunk

england gets laughed at for being the 51st state, but at least we would be like New York State or something. korea is like one of the dull states in the middle


Pardon me. But I'm stealing this.
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