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		| Miles Rationis 
 
  
 Joined: 08 May 2007
 Location: Just Say No To Korea!
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:31 am    Post subject: How is your Korean? |   |  
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		| Jizzo T. Clown 
 
  
 Joined: 27 Mar 2006
 Location: at my wit's end
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:54 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I can read and am starting to get a feel for how words are separated in speech, but my vocabulary sucks. The grammar's basically the same as Japanese, isn't it? |  | 
	
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		| Smee 
 
  
 Joined: 24 Dec 2004
 Location: Jeollanam-do
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:57 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I don't own a Korean. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 *cough*
 
 Intermediate.  My vocabulary's all right, but my grammar is atrocious.  I can follow along most conversations around town and in school, though I don't always have the speaking skills to go along with it.
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		| CentralCali 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:57 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | I can read and am starting to get a feel for how words are separated in speech, but my vocabulary sucks. The grammar's basically the same as Japanese, isn't it? |  
 No.  The two grammars have some similarities, but are not "basically the same."
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		| LuckyNomad 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:38 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| My strongest point is vocabulary. Once you learn several hundred Hanja, you know why words are the way that they are, and you can often figure out what words mean by disecting the two parts. For example:   (sorry, I can't write Hangeul on this computer)
 
 Mun(literature) Bob(Law)   MunBob = Grammar
 Ma(evil) Bob(law)              MaBob = Magic
 Ma(evil) Wong(King)          MaWong= The Devil
 Bul(not) Shi(death)            BulShi= immortality
 Jin(true) Ri(reason)           JinRi= The Truth
 
 It's basically like studying Latin to learn english words.
 
 Everything else is intermediate
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		| Jizzo T. Clown 
 
  
 Joined: 27 Mar 2006
 Location: at my wit's end
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:39 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | CentralCali wrote: |  
	  | No.  The two grammars have some similarities, but are not "basically the same."
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 Enlighten me.
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		| normalcyispasse 
 
  
 Joined: 27 Oct 2006
 Location: Yeosu until the end of February WOOOOOOOO
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:16 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | I can read and am starting to get a feel for how words are separated in speech, but my vocabulary sucks. The grammar's basically the same as Japanese, isn't it? |  
 No.  The two grammars have some similarities, but are not "basically the same."
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 +1.  If they were "basically the same" I'd speak a helluva lot more Korean.
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		| CentralCali 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:19 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | CentralCali wrote: |  
	  | No.  The two grammars have some similarities, but are not "basically the same."
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 Enlighten me.
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 Friend, there's a lot more to a language's grammar than just S-O-V.
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		| wo buxihuan hanguoren 
 
  
 Joined: 18 Apr 2007
 Location: Suyuskis
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:28 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| What does "onion how say yo" mean? 
 You would think that with the amount of foreigners teaching here, someone would have taught them how to say 'onion' correctly.
 
 And what is up with the 'yo'? Do I look like a brother to you, Mr. Korean Man? Treat me with respect please, or heads will be kicked in, bloody blimmin' strewth!
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		| cdninkorea 
 
  
 Joined: 27 Jan 2006
 Location: Seoul
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:39 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I'm able to get the gist of what people say to me most of the time. My biggest problem is that I can't understand them unless they speak slowly. 
 Very often a Korean I'm talking to will be very impressed after hearing me speak and assume I'm fluent (or close to it). Then they'll start talking at the same speed they'd talk to a fellow Korean, and it's over for me.
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		| ghost 
 
  
 Joined: 06 Dec 2006
 Location: Many congenial places
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:14 am    Post subject: re |   |  
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				| Been here for 5 months, and studying at the Korean Language Academy since June (3 months of once a week every Saturday for 3 hours). 
 Still unable to converse in Korean, but able, to just say a few sentences about who I am, where I am from, and what I do. I can also ask for directions, and know most of the numbers.
 
 I have not yet reached the stage where my ear is in sync with the language and where I can understand most of what is going on.
 
 To learn any language successfully, you need tons of exposure, and unfortunately as English teachers, because of the nature of our field, our exposure to the language is reduced, unless we make special efforts outside of class time to get that exposure. And most of us don't do that, because most Koreans are not really willing to have us hanging around them.
 
 I recommend the courses here:
 
 Seoul Korean Language Academy, 7F Hightech Bld., 649-2, Yeoksam dong, Kangnam gu, Seoul
 
 Tel:  02 563 3226
 
 www.seoul-kla.com
 
 Ghost in Korea
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		| SuperHero 
 
  
 Joined: 10 Dec 2003
 Location: Superhero Hideout
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:16 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| finished level 3 at Sogang so that makes me high beginner/low intermediate using the actfl scale for language acquisition. |  | 
	
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		| Jizzo T. Clown 
 
  
 Joined: 27 Mar 2006
 Location: at my wit's end
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:46 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | CentralCali wrote: |  
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 Friend, there's a lot more to a language's grammar than just S-O-V.
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 Really?? Gee, I didn't know that. I stand enlightened!
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		| CentralCali 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:00 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | CentralCali wrote: |  
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 Friend, there's a lot more to a language's grammar than just S-O-V.
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 Really?? Gee, I didn't know that. I stand enlightened!
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 I tend to not think someone's at all serious about examining a language when they make such comments as your earlier one.  Maybe that's a professional hazard as I actually did major in Linguistics.  Not only that, but I've studied both Korean and Japanese formally (at real universities, not Korean ones).
 
 I also tend not to waste my time communicating with rude people.  Perhaps you didn't mean to be rude, but your last post certainly seemed to be intentionally rude.
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		| Jizzo T. Clown 
 
  
 Joined: 27 Mar 2006
 Location: at my wit's end
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 5:55 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | CentralCali wrote: |  
	  | Maybe that's a professional hazard as I actually did major in Linguistics.  Not only that, but I've studied both Korean and Japanese formally (at real universities, not Korean ones). 
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 Not only that, but you're quite full of yourself.
 
 It's ok. I don't mind people being pedantic if that's what gets them through the night. And I'll take your negative attitude towards me as a reasonable excuse for not answering my original question, which, for someone who majored in linguistics (and presumably teaches language), should be a walk in the park.
 
 Can anyone else explain the differences between Korean and Japanese grammar in a way my small clown mind can understand??
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