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ChopChaeJoe
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I find it amusing that the US Supreme Court says that gay sex is legal and has also uhel bans on gay marriage. So, in defense of decency and all that, we have a situation where anonomous gay sex is protected but committted monogomous gay sex is not.
No wonder republicans like looking for potty parties. |
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beast
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| Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Rules are rules so live with it. I don't agree that you should be able to own automatic weapons, yet it is legal to do so. Many people feel that it's okay to smoke up, yet the law says you can't. We have the death penalty in my state of Texas and public opinion is still in favor of that. Yet in Canada most people polled say they are in favor of the death penalty yet they don't have it. No government will ever fully satisfy every citizen with their laws. You just have to accept that those laws were all made for a reason, even if you don't agree with that reason. Gay marriage is no different than anything else |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| beast wrote: |
| Rules are rules so live with it. I don't agree that you should be able to own automatic weapons, yet it is legal to do so. Many people feel that it's okay to smoke up, yet the law says you can't. We have the death penalty in my state of Texas and public opinion is still in favor of that. Yet in Canada most people polled say they are in favor of the death penalty yet they don't have it. No government will ever fully satisfy every citizen with their laws. You just have to accept that those laws were all made for a reason, even if you don't agree with that reason. Gay marriage is no different than anything else |
Yeah, and it was you choice to be gay anyway!!!
(sorry thought I'd follow that up with another stupid post) |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: The Tragedy of Prohibiting Gay Marriage |
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I met the man I thought would be my life-long partner in 2004. We lived together for three years, planned our futures together, dreamed of growing old, etc. He thought he would be able to get a work visa for the States, but it just so happens that immigration law is in a state of flux, and he will have to wait 5-6 years for his visa.
Although I offered to stay another 5-6 years in Korea to wait for him with no certainty he would ever be able to leave, he (as the more logical of us) suggested breaking off the relationship was the best thing to do.
If I was Canadian, it would not be a problem. But because I live in one of the most schizophrenic countries in the world, our dreams together are shattered and our love snuffed out.
My question is this: What business does the government of any country have in passing or protecting laws concerning what a person chooses to do with his or her own body? This goes even beyond marijuana use. The prohibition against gay marriage outlaws a loving commitment. How insane is that?
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So you made a friend and wanted to get him a green card? |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| beast wrote: |
| Rules are rules so live with it. I don't agree that you should be able to own automatic weapons, yet it is legal to do so. Many people feel that it's okay to smoke up, yet the law says you can't. We have the death penalty in my state of Texas and public opinion is still in favor of that. Yet in Canada most people polled say they are in favor of the death penalty yet they don't have it. No government will ever fully satisfy every citizen with their laws. You just have to accept that those laws were all made for a reason, even if you don't agree with that reason. Gay marriage is no different than anything else |
That's why you try to change laws. Most Canadians are not for the death penalty either ??? |
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dogshed
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:29 am Post subject: |
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Don't mean to sound homophobic but isnt marriage a biblical term used for a man and a woman couple? Anyways, i have no problem with homosexuals. Just thought I'd bring that up.  |
We have the separation of church and state in the US. This means that any marriage under the law is a civil marriage and not a religious marriage.
The two issues are: Can you require the couple to be one man and one woman? Can you have a separate marriage laws for gays and straights.
I am confident that eventually the supreme court will hear cases on these two issues and will have to rule that gays can marry and there can only be one marriage law for all couples. |
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dogshed
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| ChopChaeJoe wrote: |
I find it amusing that the US Supreme Court says that gay sex is legal and has also uhel bans on gay marriage. So, in defense of decency and all that, we have a situation where anonomous gay sex is protected but committted monogomous gay sex is not.
No wonder republicans like looking for potty parties. |
I'm pretty sure the US Supreme court has not heard any cases related to gay marriage. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| dogshed wrote: |
| ChopChaeJoe wrote: |
I find it amusing that the US Supreme Court says that gay sex is legal and has also uhel bans on gay marriage. So, in defense of decency and all that, we have a situation where anonomous gay sex is protected but committted monogomous gay sex is not.
No wonder republicans like looking for potty parties. |
I'm pretty sure the US Supreme court has not heard any cases related to gay marriage. |
Even by refusing to hear a case bought before it, they are upholding the original decision. |
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grainger
Joined: 21 Sep 2006
Location: Wonju, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: |
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"My question is this: What business does the government of any country have in passing or protecting laws concerning what a person chooses to do with his or her own body? This goes even beyond marijuana use. The prohibition against gay marriage outlaws a loving commitment. How insane is that?"
It's not what you do with your body that concerns them, unless it involves health care, it's what you do with the government's money. Toss the religious argument aside for a minute and you can see the more, ummm, economical reasons for the government to ban gay marriage, which I'm totally in favor of by the way.
If the government allows gay marrige that means that it also recognizes such financial responsibilities as survior benifits (both in the form of pension and the military). Companies would be forced to place your spouse on health and dental benifits, insurance benifits, etc. and I'm sure a hundred other little things I can't think of right now.
Don't fool yourself, they may spout religious decrees, some may even believe it, but the government is a corporation at heart whose primary objective is to make money and survive.
That's my cynical two cents. |
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Dazed and Confused
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:09 am Post subject: |
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Sorry to hear about your situation. I'm going to suggest a less than ethical route. Your partner gets a marriage of convienence. So, he marries a girl. She's in on the deal as well. They get a pre-nup and keep everythign separate. You all live together in the same house so when they go in for their immigration interview they can pass the questioning. Then when he gets his green card, about 2 years later, they get divorced under the no fault divorce laws. I know this isn't the best idea and it takes a third person who is willing to commit fraud. But under the stupid laws of the USA what else are you gonna do???  |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:15 am Post subject: re: |
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| Dazed and Confused wrote: |
| Sorry to hear about your situation. I'm going to suggest a less than ethical route. Your partner gets a marriage of convienence. So, he marries a girl. She's in on the deal as well. They get a pre-nup and keep everythign separate. You all live together in the same house so when they go in for their immigration interview they can pass the questioning. Then when he gets his green card, about 2 years later, they get divorced under the no fault divorce laws. I know this isn't the best idea and it takes a third person who is willing to commit fraud. But under the stupid laws of the USA what else are you gonna do??? |
wow! good idea~
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potin14p
Joined: 04 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| We have the separation of church and state in the US. |
was that sarcasm? you can't be serious. Bush and his cronies pushing abstinence-only sex education, the use of the religious conservative vote? |
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