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Dome Vans
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| At some point soon the US ought to withdraw the vast majority of its forces to Kurdistan. They clearly support the US there. |
Support diminishing for the US, get outta here!
Seeming as you have labelled the Iraqi's 'dogs' who do not deserve the freedom that you are giving them. Is it any wonder that your support is disappearing? On a global scale especially. |
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mack4289
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| The thing to be scared of now is that these groups that are collaborating with the US are only doing so to build up strength to attack their rival groups. Do these groups, as Christopher Hitchens suggested, want to f*ck their opposition with our d*ck? (http://www.slate.com/id/2157663/) |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Support diminishing for the US, get outta here! |
Not in Kurdistan |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
"Dome Vans"]
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| Support diminishing for the US, get outta here! |
Not in Kurdistan |
1/3 of the dominant religious/ethnic groups supporting the war is enough to justify its continuation? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. The Kurds need protection and the US needs to project power.
Win - win.
Anyway Iraq never ought to have been created it ought to be broken up.
The Kurds ought to get their freedom. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes. The Kurds need protection and the US needs to project power. |
Why exactly? This war was never about saving the Kurds, you've deemed them 'dogs' because they have not accepted your aggressive democracy. They have nothing to do with Al Qaeda. Is that what this has come to.
You've gone into a burning building to save a baby and all you could manage to save was the goldfish.
That's what this war has turned into. The prize has gone, so you'll settle for anything.
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The_Conservative
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Dome Vans,
I'm still waiting on evidence of government funding of the US media. I'm a patient guy, but it seems like in your America-bashing fervor, you've forgotten all about my request. I tried looking for the evidence myself, but I can't find it! Again, I've always been under the impression that the American government does not fund the private media, so I was shocked when you asserted it. Am I missing out on something?
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I second this request. I'd like to see evidence too. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Me too. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Dome Vans"]
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| Yes. The Kurds need protection and the US needs to project power. |
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Why exactly? This war was never about saving the Kurds, you've deemed them 'dogs' because they have not accepted your aggressive democracy. They have nothing to do with Al Qaeda. Is that what this has come to. |
Who deemed who dogs
At any rate the Kurds still need US protection. It wasn't a main reason for the war but the US has been protecting them for a while. And the US needs to project power in the mideast
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One of the main reasons for the war was to for the US to get military bases in the mideast to project power.
Iraq was never the whole war and the US never invaded Iraq just to invade Iraq - it was to invade the middle east. The cold war took 45 years , the war on terror will be easier than the cold war. |
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endo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:15 am Post subject: Re: Bin Laden Fights to Stay Relevant |
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Whether he intended it or not, bin Laden is largely responsible for destroying Iraq. And displacing two million Iraqi Muslims.
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That's gotta be the stupidist thing I heard all week. 
Unbelievable! |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:23 am Post subject: |
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Sure no 9-11 -no Iraq war
9-11 showed the US that the mideast was a threat to the US and it needed to be taken care of. |
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endo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:29 am Post subject: |
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Please.
The actor largely responsible for the mess in Iraq is the U.S. government.
Colin Powell even said it: if you break it you won it. (or something to that extent)
Iraq has been one of the biggest recruiting tools for Al Qaeda.
Talk about revisionist history. And you applaud this guy Joo. I know you're pretty ben on your ideology, but please tell me you can see the stupity in this? |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| June 15, 2004 � Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, the former commander of military police at Abu Ghraib prison, says she was told by a higher-ranking military intelligence commander that Iraqi prisoners should be treated "like dogs." In an interview with the BBC, Karpinski said Major General Geoffrey Miller -- who ran the US prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and is now in charge of prisons in Iraq -- told her, "they are like dogs, and if you allow them to believe at any point they are more than a dog then you've lost control of them." According to Karpinski, Miller told her he wanted to "Gitmo-ize" the treatment of Iraqi prisoners, making reference to interrogation techniques used at Guantanamo Bay. Karpinski, who has been suspended of her command but not charged with any crime, said she and other military police officers are being used as scapegoats for the torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib. She said her soldiers would not have participated in incidents of torture and abuse depicted in hundreds of photographs unless they had been ordered to do so by military intelligence. Karpinski claims she was unaware of Iraqis being tortured in Abu Ghraib�s interrogation facilities because those areas were run by military intelligence and not directly under her command. |
http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=551
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| And the US needs to project power in the mideast |
The delusional christian fundamentalists who believe that Jesus will come again when the 'land of israel is reunited' are the ones who are trying to project this power in the middle east. Massive war, the only ones who repent are saved, not muslims etc. No logic to this. It's religion, so there is no logic.
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| 9-11 showed the US that the mideast was a threat to the US and it needed to be taken care of. |
As mentioned before: You've gone into a burning building that you set alight to save a baby and all you could manage to save was the goldfish. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:31 am Post subject: |
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Please.
The actor largely responsible for the mess in Iraq is the U.S. government.
Colin Powell even said it: if you break it you won it. (or something to that extent)
Iraq has been one of the biggest recruiting tools for Al Qaeda.
Talk about revisionist history. And you applaud this guy Joo. I know you're pretty ben on your ideology, but please tell me you can see the stupity in this? |
There are a lot of reasons for Iraq.
Iraq has been a big recruiting tool at the same time, 70,000 trained in AQ camps in the 1990s. This was while the US was defending muslims in Kurdistan and in Yugoslavia. Before the US invaded Iraq
It is also worth noting that no one is the mideast got mad when Saddam gassed the Kurds who are muslim or when Assad destroyed the city of Hama or when Khomeni' fatwa killed 30,000 Iranians in 1988.
A huge reason for terror in the mideast is cause mideast regimes and elites encourage it .
and if they stop or the US can force the them to stop and even better go after those who support the terrorists then there will be far less terror.
So the US war on terror might be a recruiting tool for AQ but it is not the main cause of terror and it is a way to put an end to terror. The US might need better ways to hit and need ways to hit much harder but the war on terror is also a potental way to end the major cause of terror against the US |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| And the US needs to project power in the mideast |
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| The delusional christian fundamentalists who believe that Jesus will come again when the 'land of israel is reunited' are the ones who are trying to project this power in the middle east. Massive war, the only ones who repent are saved, not muslims etc. No logic to this. It's religion, so there is no logic. |
and Thomas Friedman.
Mideast regimes have excellent security services - if they were to sick them on those who support the terrorists then the ones who support the terrorists will be gone.
If the US makes them really afraid then they will take care of the terrorists.
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| 9-11 showed the US that the mideast was a threat to the US and it needed to be taken care of. |
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| As mentioned before: You've gone into a burning building that you set alight to save a baby and all you could manage to save was the goldfish. |
The war isn't over. In the end the US will overwhelm those who support the terrorsts.
The terrorists might not have a home address but mideast leaders do. |
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