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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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 Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: 2007: America's year for foreign policy success |
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A breakthrough with China following North Korea's nuclear test has facilitated direct negotiations with North Korea. The proposal is to account for North Korea's nuclear program and eventually the US will recognize North Korea diplomatically in exchange for dismantlement of its nuclear program.
We turn to the Indian Ocean, where India and America cement military ties along with Japan, Australia, and Singapore by means of joint military exercises.
Lastly, we turn back to Old Europe, where Sarkozy and Merkel form a unified front with the US vs. Iran's nuclear program.
2007 has been a wonderful year for American diplomacy. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:39 am Post subject: Re: 2007: America's year for foreign policy success |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| A breakthrough with China following North Korea's nuclear test has facilitated direct negotiations with North Korea. The proposal is to account for North Korea's nuclear program and eventually the US will recognize North Korea diplomatically in exchange for dismantlement of its nuclear program. |
Funny, but I remember the C/N-C's slamming Clinton for exactly the same deal.
Irony your goal tonight?
The US and old allies show up to display their might. Yes, that's a show-stopper. And so utterly out o character for the president who campaigned on non-intervention while planning the invasion of Iraq. Jaw dropping. Stunning. Such a success....
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| Lastly, we turn back to Old Europe, where Sarkozy and Merkel form a unified front with the US vs. Iran's nuclear program. |
I don't recall America having anything to do with the election of either. A rather cheap call, don't you think, expecially since, well, geez, pretty much the whole world doesn't want Iran to have nukes?
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| 2007 has been a wonderful year for American diplomacy. |
Yes, yes, I'm sure you're right. Or it could be perhaps the least impressive list of foreign policy successes a president has ever had.
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:28 am Post subject: Re: 2007: America's year for foreign policy success |
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| keane wrote: |
| Wonk, Wonk, Wonk |
Hey, Miss Othmar, say something different. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:01 am Post subject: Re: 2007: America's year for foreign policy success |
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| keane wrote: |
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| Lastly, we turn back to Old Europe, where Sarkozy and Merkel form a unified front with the US vs. Iran's nuclear program. |
I don't recall America having anything to do with the election of either. A rather cheap call, don't you think, expecially since, well, geez, pretty much the whole world doesn't want Iran to have nukes? |
The success isn't the election of the candidates, but the fact that Bush has managed to unite Germany and France on a common agenda despite friction over Iraq.
A lot of the world does not seem to care too passionately, IMO. Only the West and very recently China seems worried. India has fallen in with the West, but more because of the US' recognition of their nuclear program rather than any political desires of their own. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: 2007: America's year for foreign policy success |
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| Lastly, we turn back to Old Europe, where Sarkozy and Merkel form a unified front with the US vs. Iran's nuclear program. |
I don't recall America having anything to do with the election of either. A rather cheap call, don't you think, expecially since, well, geez, pretty much the whole world doesn't want Iran to have nukes? |
The success isn't the election of the candidates, but the fact that Bush has managed to unite Germany and France on a common agenda despite friction over Iraq.
A lot of the world does not seem to care too passionately, IMO. Only the West and very recently China seems worried. India has fallen in with the West, but more because of the US' recognition of their nuclear program rather than any political desires of their own. |
Again, your cause and effect is false. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| The changes of government in Germany and France had nothing to do with foreign policy. If the US goes to war against Iran do you really expect they will join in? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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I hope the US just does the right thing when it comes to Iran.
1) Talk to Iran
2) Invest in and deploy space launched strategic weapons. They would make talking to Iran more effective. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: 2007: America's year for foreign policy success |
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| keane wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| A breakthrough with China following North Korea's nuclear test has facilitated direct negotiations with North Korea. The proposal is to account for North Korea's nuclear program and eventually the US will recognize North Korea diplomatically in exchange for dismantlement of its nuclear program. |
Funny, but I remember the C/N-C's slamming Clinton for exactly the same deal.
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Links please? |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: 2007: America's year for foreign policy success |
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| Links please? |
Good luck with that. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| The changes of government in Germany and France had nothing to do with foreign policy. If the US goes to war against Iran do you really expect they will join in? |
That's because you, like Keane, want to attribute the cause of better agreement between the E-3 and the US on the Iran issue solely on the election of Merkel and Sarkozy.
Perhaps this has helped, but at least the US is responding well to the circumstances and has not jeopeordized a winning hand.
The real crux of this thread, of course, is to disprove that the world 'hates' America or that America is unpopular with the world. As far as government-government relations, at least, it could not be further from the truth. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: 2007: America's year for foreign policy success |
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| Kuros wrote: |
A breakthrough with China following North Korea's nuclear test has facilitated direct negotiations with North Korea. The proposal is to account for North Korea's nuclear program and eventually the US will recognize North Korea diplomatically in exchange for dismantlement of its nuclear program.
We turn to the Indian Ocean, where India and America cement military ties along with Japan, Australia, and Singapore by means of joint military exercises.
Lastly, we turn back to Old Europe, where Sarkozy and Merkel form a unified front with the US vs. Iran's nuclear program.
2007 has been a wonderful year for American diplomacy. |
I've got two words for you:
eye
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arjuna
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| Alias wrote: |
| The changes of government in Germany and France had nothing to do with foreign policy. If the US goes to war against Iran do you really expect they will join in? |
That's because you, like Keane, want to attribute the cause of better agreement between the E-3 and the US on the Iran issue solely on the election of Merkel and Sarkozy. |
Gee, now why would we do THAT? OH! THIS is why:
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Fox analyst: Germany's actions leave us 'no choice' but to bomb Iran
Germany � a pivotal player among three European nations to rein in Iran's nuclear program over the last two-and-a-half years through a mixture of diplomacy and sanctions supported by the United States � notified its allies last week that the government of Chancellor Angela Merkel refuses to support the imposition of any further sanctions against Iran that could be imposed by the U.N. Security Council. |
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| Perhaps this has helped, but at least the US is responding well to the circumstances and has not jeopeordized a winning hand. |
Hahaha! You made a funny! You're right! "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran." It's a big hit all across the world. Catchy little ditty, ain't it? People are dancing in the streets singing the tune!
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| The real crux of this thread, of course, is to disprove that the world 'hates' America or that America is unpopular with the world. As far as government-government relations, at least, it could not be further from the truth. |
How do you disprove an assertion that hasn't been made? The issue, which you conflate here, is the hatred of the Bush Faction, their policies and their actions. And not a little disgust with Americans for enabling this bull crap. How two governments = the world is beyond me.
In case you didn't understand the quoted bit above, it means one of your two hero leaders just said, "Kiss my fat arse." |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: 2007: America's year for foreign policy success |
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That sketch is hilarious.
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| In case you didn't understand the quoted bit above, it means one of your two hero leaders just said, "Kiss my fat arse." |
What I don't understand is why you did not link it? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: 2007: America's year for foreign policy success |
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| What I don't understand is why you did not link it? |
Here's a link ...
Alex Jones arrested in NYC by Nazi-La-La-Land
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPwfoO4KKaE&NR=1
Gotta love it when Joe Public stands up to fight on the side of truth. |
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