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I'll never drive in Korea
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seoulsucker



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Col.Brandon wrote:
seoulsucker wrote:
"wreckless"
LOL


haha...got me on that one. Hey, it was 5 AM and I was half asleep when I posted. Confused
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is: it will cost you less to take taxi's ALL the time you would normally drive if you count: cost the car, insurance, gas and maintenance. I will never buy a car again in Korea. While driving isn't a problem for me, the costs just aren't worth it.
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Return Jones



Joined: 06 Feb 2004
Location: I will see you in far-off places

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddycakes wrote:
Korea still only has a 1st generation driving culture... remembers private automobiles are relatively new in Korea, unlike North America.

Give them another 50 years to catch up and get some experience, and maybe, just maybe... the Koreans may become as good as the Japanese.... maybe...


I don't get this "first generation" driver theory. It doesn't take a mental giant with 50 years of experience to get it right. It takes a few days behind the wheel at most. The Western world invented the auto from scratch and had its growing pains with this newly-invented technology, but I can't imagine that things were ever done the way it is in Asia. Let's not even get into pedestrians looking the wrong direction while stepping onto a busy road. 50 years won't change these kind of habits toward traffic. Either you have situational awareness as an innate part of your being or you don't. Doesn't take 50 years to learn to look both ways before crossing the street.

In Korea there are 1000 year-old cultural outlooks and habits that are in action that may not necessarily evolve over time to equate to safer driving habits. Same truth could be applied to sidewalk ettiquette, umbrella ettiquette, subway ettiquette, shopping cart ettiquette, etc. I can't imagine saying that after 50 years people will get used to walking on sidewalks.

Anyway, just my 2 cents. BTW, any find Mr. Carr's name to be ironic? Lame, I know.
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
It seems illogical on the face of it, but Mr. Carr makes a fatal mistake: he uses the term "innocent driver". Essentially, the policy is designed around the fact that 98% of Korean drivers comprise the top 1% of the worst drivers in the world, thereby justifying an assumption that there is no such thing as an innocent driver. At one time or another, virtually every Korean person you see behind the wheel of a vehicle has pulled a stunt that either caused a wreck, nearly caused a wreck, or maimed/killed a pedestrian.

The purpose of the law is to provide delayed retribution to those who had it coming.


haha, thats a funny claim and not without merit i guess... but you have to ask whether these kinds of laws create the bad driving (especially for people who are rich and drive expensive cars), or are set in place to justly deal with bad drivers.
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tokki1 wrote:
Qinella wrote:
I don't know.. I heard the drivers in Taiwan are pretty bad, though..


Pretty bad? Jesus....no words can...just go there...


I've never been to taiwan but might be, soon, for a little bit.. could you please compare the driving in korea with that of taiwan, more specifically?
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont like driving here, but the alternative is hitching rides with co-teachers and wasting way too much time dorking around waiting for them to show up or waiting for them to get off work to take me home. They are mostly cool about doing it... (there is one school where the teachers cant give me a ride because they all live the other direction about 40km) but on balance, the freedom of having the car is worth more than the financial security of letting someone else drive.


Gotta agree,though, Koreans drive like chickens on heroine whose heads were just cut off 1 second earlier.... As Im sharing the road with them, I am constantly pondering about whether it is the poorly designed roads, rarely enforced traffic laws, and inadequate/faulty driver education they receive that is the first cause, or whether the first cause is the social habits and uniquely Korean shortsighted mindsets of the drivers themselves that is to blame....
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone else want to bet that having a solid rule of law would correlate to a more civil driving culture? Given that the debarcles the courts handed out this week, I see none of that here.
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GoldMember



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Driving in Korea has always been a debacle. Andrei Lankov wrote about the first time cars were introduced into Korea.
Apparently there were only about 150 cars in the first year they came to Korea. In that first year there were bout 150 accidents.
A 100% accident rate despite near zero traffic.
Take a group of people who don't even know how to walk properly, and put them behind 2 tons of steel at high spped. A recipe for disaster.
Americans have their guns, Koreans have their cars.
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aldershot



Joined: 17 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

homo says, "whatsatrafficcop"?

i love the fake police lights at the sides of the road. i truly believe these enforce traffic law.

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Either you have situational awareness as an innate part of your being or you don't. Doesn't take 50 years to learn to look both ways before crossing the street.


yes return jones. spot on.


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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaganath69 wrote:
Does anyone else want to bet that having a solid rule of law would correlate to a more civil driving culture? Given that the debarcles the courts handed out this week, I see none of that here.


What's this "rule of law" stuff you speak of? Sonds like a good idea, though.
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exit86



Joined: 17 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The Law" ?????

Herein lies the problem folks. I think most of us know that law in this country is highly subjective and situation-based. Its been this way for quite a long time. Though this approach to law and order may work at the village level, its quite a different story in a metropolitan city
going on 22 million. With moving objects occupying a fixed amount of space in time, the laws (of physics) are pretty cut-and-dried objective.
A heavy object in motion at a high speed will collide with an object suddenly obstructing its course of motion. The situation remains the same always and there is no arguing with such universal laws.

When you have traffic laws which are not enforced and are not recognized by a significant portion of the driving population, choosing to follow their own selfish, situation-based outlook (i.e. "I'm in a big ass hurry. I am more important than you. You should know that."),
the result is chaos. It is for this reason that Korea has the highest
amount of traffic deaths (vehicle to pedestrian) in the OECD nations.
21 people a day are killed by reckless drivers in this country.
How can this be fixed? Pass more laws that people won't give a crap about? Pass more laws which the lazy-ass, good-for-nothing cops won't enforce? Pass more laws which stubborn, loud-mouthed middle-aged K. men will ignore as they scream and yell at the younger driver of the other car they just smashed into in order to try and weasel out of taking responsibility for his actions?

Does anyone have the answer?

Personally, I prefer the OP's solution: don't drive.
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, now we have a combination of law, ethics, culture and physics, is that the complete picture?
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aldershot wrote:
homo says, "whatsatrafficcop"?

i love the fake police lights at the sides of the road. i truly believe these enforce traffic law.

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Either you have situational awareness as an innate part of your being or you don't. Doesn't take 50 years to learn to look both ways before crossing the street.


yes return jones. spot on.



To me, the funniest thing is how they warn you about upcoming robot traffic radar/cameras. Its like they are saying, "OK, in 450 meters, you can stop breaking the law and drive the set speed limit. After that, you can speed up again until we warn you about the next camera."
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Col.Brandon



Joined: 09 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I have a wee baby now. I'm not gonna trust my precious little one to some moronic clown of a taxi or bus driver. And it's a hassle to fanny around with trains when you have a kid and all the associated paraphernalia, especially if a quick trip to the hospital is necessary.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GoldMember wrote:
Driving in Korea has always been a debacle. Andrei Lankov wrote about the first time cars were introduced into Korea.
Apparently there were only about 150 cars in the first year they came to Korea. In that first year there were bout 150 accidents.
A 100% accident rate despite near zero traffic.
Take a group of people who don't even know how to walk properly, and put them behind 2 tons of steel at high spped. A recipe for disaster.
Americans have their guns, Koreans have their cars.


Right, but you're forgetting about Taiwan. They say it's much, much worse there.
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