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Koreans in Canada Feel Put Down by Subtle Racism
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't think racism, discrimination, or bias existed in the Social Utopia that is Canada.
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mikowee



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Growing up in a predominantly white neighbourhood of Toronto, I could relate to some of the stuff written. There were periods of depression and anxiety, especially in high school. It took me a while to mature and stop feeling sorry for myself.
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikowee wrote:
Growing up in a predominantly white neighbourhood of Toronto, I could relate to some of the stuff written. There were periods of depression and anxiety, especially in high school. It took me a while to mature and stop feeling sorry for myself.


This article was about adults. It makes me wonder how mature and how ready they were to become a minority. Maybe that's the problem. For my family it was no big deal but for Koreans going from uber-Homogeneous Korea to Canada...hmmm....

But it's strange though. Blacks are "used to it" but I can't recall my mom or dad sitting me down and saying "Alyallen, you are a minority and people may say things to you that are racist." So how are we used to it and other aren't?

I spent 5 years in Vermont which is 97% white and never felt or noticed subtle racism. In fact, my friends noticed that sort of shit being directed at me far more than I ever did. So maybe it is that some people look deeper in a quest for an explanation to an event instead of just leaving it at face value?
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mj roach wrote:
Ever been pleased to be invited to a Korean home for Chuseok, only to find yourself seated at a seperate table with the children?

I've never had an interest in spending holidays in Korean homes. But that is FUNNY!

Did they also give you a fork and knife and apologize that you'd have to eat Korean food during Chuseok?

Perfect situation. Teachers can visit during the holidays AND still do their true passion in life of teaching Korean kids.
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
Tiger Beer wrote:
I also don't get the straw grasping: Your co-workers not inviting YOU to a function and they invite someone else is a subtle form of Canadian racism? What?

Oh no! I've been a victim of subtle racism, too! My Korean co-workers all went to the boss' house for a Christmas party, and I, as the lone foreign teacher, was not invitied. *beep*!


My boss said something weird to me a couple weeks ago.
She said "I'm sorry I didn't get your email about your broken toilet. All the English faculty were on a retreat."

Shocked
What am I? Latvian?
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikowee wrote:
...a predominantly white neighbourhood of Toronto...


Isn't that redundant? Wink
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
I didn't think racism, discrimination, or bias existed in the Social Utopia that is Canada.


Of course. But our culture strives to eliminate it. We'll never, of course, but we try. We don't fall back on "you don't understand Korea" or "Well, Koreans believe...".
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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mikowee wrote:
...a predominantly white neighbourhood of Toronto...


Isn't that redundant? Wink


You've obviously never been to Toronto.
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twg



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pyongshin Sangja wrote:
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mikowee wrote:
...a predominantly white neighbourhood of Toronto...


Isn't that redundant? Wink


You've obviously never been to Toronto.

Yah, mon.
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, come on...

Demographics of Toronto

Yes, I realize that there are minorities in Toronto. Yes I realize that Toronto is billed as "the most multi-cultural city in the world."

But, just because the diversity of the minority population is high doesn't mean that there are less white people in that city. 57.2% of the population is white. That means that there are almost double the amount of white people per capita in Toronto than there are in my home county.

Hell, there are less white people per capita In New York City than there are in Toronto. In 2005 44% of the population was white in New York City. In all of Ontario, it's crazy how white it is...

I was just joking about the redundancy thing, but don't try to tell me that Toronto isn't a white city just because it's billed as diverse and you've seen a few Rastafarians at the mall.
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little mixed girl



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

god, i swear that people on this board can only see things from their point of view.

"waa, a korean person looked at me and called me a foreigner, so when i go back home i'm going to pick on koreans!"
BOO-HOO.

i don't think that the article was saying that korean-candadians experience more racism than blacks, or that they are in a worse position than blacks; they are comparing the two groups.

the reason it's an "issue" is because america and canada bill themselves as multicultural societies that are accepting of all cultures and races.
that means that in theory, a person who is born and raised in canada or america should be treated the same across the board.

that they are judged on their personal actions and not by what someone thinks their race is about.

when they are talking about "subtle racism" they are talking about someone who is getting put aside for reasons that could be related to race.

ie- the person has been working hard at company X, but every year the head finds a reason to not promote that person. but they will promote someone who's not as skilled or who is brand-new.

if you have a group of friends that you hang out with, but they never invite you to their homes or introduce you to their parents. but you later hear about how they had other friends over or whatever.

korea isn't trying to promote itself as a multicultural society. when it does, and when korea claims to treat everyone equally, then, people might have an arguement.
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jajdude



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"god, i swear that people on this board can only see things from their point of view."

Um basically, yeah, doesn't every person in the world see things from his/her own point of view?

I know, we should have empathy, put yourself in the other's shoes, but, really, a point of view is limited to the one person who has it. Now, having no point of view might be interesting.
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kermo wrote:
Young FRANKenstein wrote:
Oh no! I've been a victim of subtle racism, too! My Korean co-workers all went to the boss' house for a Christmas party, and I, as the lone foreign teacher, was not invitied. *beep*!


My boss said something weird to me a couple weeks ago.
She said "I'm sorry I didn't get your email about your broken toilet. All the English faculty were on a retreat."

Yup. I've had similar comments made to me EVERY year. Usually only once, but there were a couple bad "ignore the waegukin teacher" years: retreats, MTs, junkets, international conferences, Christmas/New Years parties, baseball games, and on and on.
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Pak Yu Man



Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: The Ida galaxy

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tokki1 wrote:
mindmetoo wrote:
Canada: Really, you experience racism? What can we do to make you feel more at home? Any government programs?

Korea: Really, you experience racism? You don't understand Korean culture. You never will but you should try.


Back in Vancouver I often say 'waeguk' while passing a Korean on the street. I suppose that's not a good thing. But it sure is fun. Shocked


Then you are an idiot and the Korean knows it.

Waegook means non-Korean...not foreigner. So you are calling a Korean a non-Korean. Nice.

You'd either call him gyopo or U-hakseng (student abroad).


so what is the moral of this report? Let's not be subtle and be blatant racists? It'll hurt less.

Edit: When my girls are old enough to talk...I'm going to force them to say "anyeong" to every Asian my wife and I suspect are Korean.

Maybe get them to giggle and run away. Anyone else with good ideas?


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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pak Yu Man wrote:
Tokki1 wrote:
mindmetoo wrote:
Canada: Really, you experience racism? What can we do to make you feel more at home? Any government programs?

Korea: Really, you experience racism? You don't understand Korean culture. You never will but you should try.


Back in Vancouver I often say 'waeguk' while passing a Korean on the street. I suppose that's not a good thing. But it sure is fun. Shocked


Then you are an idiot and the Korean knows it.

Waegook means non-Korean...not foreigner. So you are calling a Korean a non-Korean. Nice.

You'd either call him gyopo or U-hakseng (student abroad).


so what is the moral of this report? Let's not be subtle and be blatant racists? It'll hurt less.


The best translation I've heard of "waeguk" is "outlander." When it's used by a Korean, of course it relates to non-Koreans but it's the context that matters.
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