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Pligganease
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Location: The deep south...
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| keane wrote: |
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| UN was on Saddam's payroll. They have no say cause of that. |
Saddam was on US's payroll. They have no say 'cause of that.
(See how this works?)
Bin Ladin was on US's payroll. They have no say 'cause of that.
(See how this works?) |
You're not very bright are you? Apparently, you don't see how it works. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Again Piganese, you're really gonna have to look at yourself here. Nice attitude you have here.
Another quick one:
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| I find it incredibly tedious, hate that it murders itself with its own conservative pomposity. |
Fiona Shaw. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Nope it works in conjunction with national law.
Conservative said:
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| If you had actually read it you would see that it mostly deals with relationships between sovereign states. |
but:
Member Date of admission
Afghanistan 19 November 1946
Iran 24 October 1945
Iraq 21 December 1945
These are by definition sovereign states who are members of the UN.
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| only sovereign states can become UN members, and today all UN members are fully sovereign states. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_member_states
Therefore your dealing should follow the UN charter that you signed up to. I understand that the US has it's own national laws but as you said yourself that UN law is between states and the US are bound to this.
It doesn't mean that the US can deal with these people with flagrant disregard of human rights. Especially because the US would have us believe their whiter than white image is a true reflection of them. Rubbish. It's no better than the terrorists you're hoping to rid the world of. |
However Afghanistan and Iraq are NOT sovereign states. Yes they have a seat at the U.N and yes they are refered to as "sovereign states" but the actual reality on the ground today is much different. The elected governments are little more than U.S. protectorates. You know this and I know this.
Again when the U.N charter deals with international situations, simply because the U.S. signed on to the charter does NOT give them the right to interfere in other states decision making even if said decisions run counter to the charter. The charter is simply a declaration...a wish list if you will. There are no sanctions for any but a handful of states who violate the charter regularly. The rest get off scot-free. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
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| You're not very bright are you? Apparently, you don't see how it works. |
It's all I've got, so, see how the straw man works? |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
| Wrong. The UN charter is for an organization of states. It is INTERNATIONAL law not domestic law. It is certainly not the law of the land in the U.S. |
You need to read the Constitution.
This seriously pisses me off. Running your foul mouth all over these boards and don't even know this BASIC fact? |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:49 am Post subject: |
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The UN Charter etc. seeks to supercede all national laws.
Key to the globalists' NWO agenda.
i.e. F*ck national sovereignty. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| keane wrote: |
| The_Conservative wrote: |
| Wrong. The UN charter is for an organization of states. It is INTERNATIONAL law not domestic law. It is certainly not the law of the land in the U.S. |
You need to read the Constitution.
This seriously pisses me off. Running your foul mouth all over these boards and don't even know this BASIC fact? |
Foul mouth? I'm not noted for swearing at people, so that allegation is clearly a lie. Then it is you who said it, so I'm not suprised.
Once again the Constitution is the law of the land in the U.S. not the U.N charter. The U.N charter may be similar, heck it may be identical to the Constitution in many ways, but America had a Constitution long before the Charter was ever established. And to the best of my knowledge that Constitution was not amended as a DIRECT response to the U.N Charter.
Now would you like to add some substance to this argument or are you going to resort to ad hominems, personal attacks and straw men as you accused me and others of doing in another thread? Gotta love the hypocrisy here. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
| keane wrote: |
| The_Conservative wrote: |
| Wrong. The UN charter is for an organization of states. It is INTERNATIONAL law not domestic law. It is certainly not the law of the land in the U.S. |
You need to read the Constitution.
This seriously pisses me off. Running your foul mouth all over these boards and don't even know this BASIC fact? |
Foul mouth? I'm not noted for swearing at people |
Again, your knowledge of English appears limited.
Substance? Read the document. It's right there in black and parchment. I have told you this too many times already. You're embarrassing yourself.
kisses...
P.S. Let me know when you pass American Government.
Hint: Notice none of the other C/N-C's are backing you up? (You people have pack mentality down to a science, so where are they?) See if you can guess why. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Iran leader: Bush will be tried By NASSER KARIMI, Associated Press Writer
Fri Sep 14, 3:52 PM ET
TEHRAN, Iran - President Bush and other American officials will one day face trial just like deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein for "the catastrophes they caused in Iraq," Iran's supreme leader said Friday.
Speaking to thousands of worshippers during the first Friday prayer of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said that Bush will be called to account for the U.S.-led invasion.
"A day will come that the current U.S. president and officials will be tried in an international supreme court for the catastrophes they caused in Iraq," he said.
"Americans will have to answer for why they don't end occupation of Iraq and why waves of terrorism and insurgency have overwhelmed the country," he added. "It will not be like this forever and some day they will be stopped as happened to Hitler, Saddam and certain other European leaders."
CONT'D ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070914/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_us_iraq |
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