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philipjames



Joined: 03 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:47 pm    Post subject: Entire classes (public school) not showing up for class!!! Reply with quote

Both yesterday and today entire classes of grade csix students have failed to materialize in my classroom for their scheduled lesson. The co-teacher says it's practice week for sports day next week, so the home room teacher probably opted to exercise with them rather than send them along. To me this is the height of rudeness and arrogance. No child should be absent from my class without my (and / or co-teacher's)consent. No home room teacher has the right to withold the students from my class without consulting myself or my co-teacher. I'm moderately pissed at the moment. Should I complain or let it pass?
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The_Conservative



Joined: 15 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Entire classes (public school) not showing up for class! Reply with quote

philipjames wrote:
Both yesterday and today entire classes of grade csix students have failed to materialize in my classroom for their scheduled lesson. The co-teacher says it's practice week for sports day next week, so the home room teacher probably opted to exercise with them rather than send them along. To me this is the height of rudeness and arrogance. No child should be absent from my class without my (and / or co-teacher's)consent.

Dude.. reality check. If a parent wishes to take the child out of class for whatever reason...you and the co-teacher have no say in the matter. If the child is sick does s/he need yours and the co-teacher's consent?

No home room teacher has the right to withold the students from my class without consulting myself or my co-teacher.

"Homeroom" teachers have a much different role than they play in the West. You might want to check up on that. It wasn't that long ago in Korea where if a adolescent was in trouble and the police couldn't get hold of his parents that they would call the homeroom teacher instead. Obviously your co-teacher didn't have a problem with it.

I'm moderately pissed at the moment. Should I complain or let it pass?


Let it go. You're not going to win this in the long run. Simply mention to the homeroom teacher that you would appreciate a heads-up before the next time.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SOP
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SeoulShakin



Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll learn to appreciate the breaks from 6th graders after a while. Wink
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icnelly



Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Entire classes (public school) not showing up for class! Reply with quote

The_Conservative wrote:
philipjames wrote:
Both yesterday and today entire classes of grade csix students have failed to materialize in my classroom for their scheduled lesson. The co-teacher says it's practice week for sports day next week, so the home room teacher probably opted to exercise with them rather than send them along. To me this is the height of rudeness and arrogance. No child should be absent from my class without my (and / or co-teacher's)consent.

Dude.. reality check. If a parent wishes to take the child out of class for whatever reason...you and the co-teacher have no say in the matter. If the child is sick does s/he need yours and the co-teacher's consent?

No home room teacher has the right to withold the students from my class without consulting myself or my co-teacher.

"Homeroom" teachers have a much different role than they play in the West. You might want to check up on that. It wasn't that long ago in Korea where if a adolescent was in trouble and the police couldn't get hold of his parents that they would call the homeroom teacher instead. Obviously your co-teacher didn't have a problem with it.

I'm moderately pissed at the moment. Should I complain or let it pass?


Let it go. You're not going to win this in the long run. Simply mention to the homeroom teacher that you would appreciate a heads-up before the next time.


agreed. Your consent isn't worth anything to any teacher in the school; you are an assistant no matter what role you take on, and if anything happens that is the bottom line.

Yeah, suggestions work, but that might piss you off even more depending on the response.
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They pulled that all the time last year. Sure, it was great to have breaks from class, but I couldn't take full advantage of them as I didn't realize we had a break until I walked by the homeroom 10 minutes later and saw the students doing something else.

They would do this without telling my coteacher, and that bothered her. As she explained, Korean English teachers---and other specialists---are lower down the ladder than homeroom teachers. When I didn't have a coteacher the second semester, it happened far more frequently. Even when my coteacher became a homeroom teacher, she'd do it to . . . Rolling Eyes

Mention to your coteacher that you'd like a heads up, but I don't think it'll change anything. If you roll with it, though, it will give you some leeway in cancelling classes yourself.
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tiger fancini



Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Entire classes (public school) not showing up for class! Reply with quote

philipjames wrote:
Both yesterday and today entire classes of grade csix students have failed to materialize in my classroom for their scheduled lesson. The co-teacher says it's practice week for sports day next week, so the home room teacher probably opted to exercise with them rather than send them along. To me this is the height of rudeness and arrogance. No child should be absent from my class without my (and / or co-teacher's)consent. No home room teacher has the right to withold the students from my class without consulting myself or my co-teacher. I'm moderately pissed at the moment. Should I complain or let it pass?


Mention it by all means, but complaining will solve nothing. As mentioned, you will learn to appreciate the unexpected spare time and be able to use it for other important school business - lesson planning, socialising with other teachers, or sleeping!
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:46 pm    Post subject: Bottom Line... Reply with quote

The bottom line in this situation is that the KTs can do what they want and you have little say in it. To complain would only make you look disrespectful in their eyes...Remember, you are hired to be an assistant, not a licensed teacher in your school position, so if the school (homeroom teacher/admins) want to cancel your classes for two weeks they can do it with or without your permission...We live in their country and must follow their rules...

Is it rude, yes,
It is inconsiderate, definitely,
Is it frustrating and angering to not be told, absolutely,
Is it going to change anything if your complain, NO

Take the time and do something else like read a book, work on some project or kick back and take a nap...They have given you a free pass for the hours the students are gone...I personally revel in the luxury of the free time when it is given to me, either announced or unannounced...While I understand and appreciate the OPs complaint about it, I think it is something that will never change, so enjoy the break...
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mention to your coteacher that you'd like a heads up, but I don't think it'll change anything. If you roll with it, though, it will give you some leeway in cancelling classes yourself.


Don't hold your breath though.

It's just the way things work out here. Same in Thailand, I used to get pissed off but it's not worth the headache. It will keep happening. If you stamp your feet and make a fuss all that will happen is it will change for one or two times (if you are lucky) and they will remember that you stamped your feet and made a fuss and hold it against you.
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Boodleheimer



Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsquirrel wrote:
.... it's not worth the headache. It will keep happening. If you stamp your feet and make a fuss all that will happen is it will change for one or two times (if you are lucky) and they will remember that you stamped your feet and made a fuss and hold it against you.


dead on. think of it as an unplanned vacation.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask your coteachers to kindly remind you of changes like this, then take the time and relax. Communication sucks in Korea and its schools. I ask my school every week if anything is going to be different.
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nobbyken



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Location: Yongin ^^

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sports days and events are more important than lessons here, but next time lessons can look more more important (especially when you want time off!).

Remember that due to cancelled classes, your weekly total hours will fall below the 22 hour mark; so you won't get OT for any extra classes.
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be grateful you don't have them. I have my 6th graders today and they are all acting up because their homeroom nazi teachers are stressing them out over a stupd festival that's supposed to be fun

I wish they weren't here....And now it's raining...what a day....AIGO! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Edit: Oh and don't forget...if you don't finish the book, it's your fault Rolling Eyes
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jlb



Joined: 18 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have to agree with most of the other posters. Why exactly are you complaining??? A break is a break. Catch up on emails, paperwork, read a book, go for a walk. I'm not sure what your problem is.
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Pak Yu Man



Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: The Ida galaxy

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would have to go to the class and teach anyways.

I had the same thing a few years ago. I got to school, and found out I had no classes. I was happy. I'd have to take the bus to school anyways.
It would have been polite and considerate if the guy in charge of me would have contacted me, but if I wanted polite or considerate...I would have left Korea a long time ago.
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