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Adjummas and scavenging

 
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whatever



Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Location: Korea: More fun than jail.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:46 pm    Post subject: Adjummas and scavenging Reply with quote

So, I've seen this for going on a couple of years now, but I still wonder...why do so many aging women scavenge through trash late at night? I understand people hunting around for large, semi-valuable items like old furniture or appliances, but...

Part of my question is why that's worthwhile to them and the other is why at night?

Another part of me is annoyed because of the way that many, at least in my neighborhood, take bagged or boxed trash and dump it loosely and carelessly on the street so they can take away the container or sift through the contents. It makes for a mess, and though it is quickly cleaned up by sanitation workers, it strikes me as disrespectful to those who have to work harder to do an already unpleasant job and to a certain extent, the neighbors in general. How many of us have been berated--rightly or wrongly--by some aging neighbor or passerby about something having to do with our trash?

Since they seem to roam around a bit and pull along rolling carts, I assume that they don't all live on my block. The late night nature of it all seems quite odd. Don't they desire sleep? Are they embarrassed? Don't their families care that they go to such lengths to gather trash? Is it their hobby? I've never seen one take something of much value, and I directly overlook two large drop-off points.

Are they stuck so far in the past mentally that they think it's necessary? I don't reside in a hard-luck area of my city. I know my grandmother at home, no matter how many times I told her, could never believe that long-distance calling was actually affordable or inclusive. So, she naturally and stubbornly kept phone call times to an absolute minimum, and still does to this day.

I'm stuck somewhere between being amused, feeling annoyed and pitying them. It's so widespread. What's your take?
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me tell you.

I once had a bunch of old trunks i had to get rid of. So i labeled them for the garbage (i had to pay tax for it, in Belgium). Since trunks can hold a lot of things i decided to make use of all that empty space.

I put in every type of junk that was too big for plastic bags, which is okay since i paid extra tax on the luggage.

Not half an hour layer, all the contents were sprayed around on the street. The trunks were gone.

I tried to file a report, but the police said that, the moment i label it as trash, anyone can pick it up a go away.

I explained to them that the content was all over the place and a danger for pedestrians and vehicles alike. Then they said that was my obligation to clean it up because it was my trash.

AAAARGGHH

So i spend 2 hours cleaning the street.
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juregen wrote:
Let me tell you.

I once had a bunch of old trunks i had to get rid of. So i labeled them for the garbage (i had to pay tax for it, in Belgium). Since trunks can hold a lot of things i decided to make use of all that empty space.

I put in every type of junk that was too big for plastic bags, which is okay since i paid extra tax on the luggage.

Not half an hour layer, all the contents were sprayed around on the street. The trunks were gone.

I tried to file a report, but the police said that, the moment i label it as trash, anyone can pick it up a go away.

I explained to them that the content was all over the place and a danger for pedestrians and vehicles alike. Then they said that was my obligation to clean it up because it was my trash.

AAAARGGHH

So i spend 2 hours cleaning the street.


Awwwww. That's crappy. I'm sorry. It's not just the smell and the inconvenience-- it's the damned injustice!
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Col.Brandon



Joined: 09 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's not much of a social welfare system here. They do it so that they can make a pittance from recycling to survive on. Perhaps they have no children to help support them in their old age. Why at night? Less traffic, and the stores and households have put all of the day's used packaging out on the street.

A pretty alien concept for those of us who've been brought up with white privilege


p.s. Damn Belgian adjummas!
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juregen wrote:

I explained to them that the content was all over the place and a danger for pedestrians and vehicles alike. Then they said that was my obligation to clean it up because it was my trash.

AAAARGGHH

So i spend 2 hours cleaning the street.


You should have told them to eat a bag of crap, in both French and Dutch, just so you could be sure they understood you.
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whatever



Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Location: Korea: More fun than jail.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Col.Brandon wrote:
A pretty alien concept for those of us who've been brought up with white privilege!


Well, that's not me. Anyway...

What happened to good old fashioned selling garlic on the corner? I rather think some of them do it as a hobby or simply out of habit. I'm wondering sometimes if some of the low-scale produce sellers on the street are doing it in part for an opportunity to socialize and feel relevant. I could totally understand that aspect of motives. But creeping around on the street like raccoons every night making a huge mess...that's strange.

Nonetheless, they litter the street with trash that had been already packaged and it's not considerate, regardless of their monetary needs.
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as-ian



Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Busan, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats just like some people i know who dumpster dive back in the States. They find interesting things, but none of it ever seems worthwhile to me.

But, to each his own, i suppose.


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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been told those old ladies have been abandoned by their families (unfilial children) and are living on like W50,000 a month.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While on a bus in a traffic jam in Seongbuk-gu, Seoul, I was able to watch a transaction between a recycle center and the halmoni who arrived with a cart full of cardboard.
The halmoni had a full cart of cardboard. I don't know how long it took her to collect that. Maybe a full morning? Anyway, I distinctly saw the recycle center ajumma count her out 4000won.

A big portion of educated or connected Koreans are living well. The others are living hand to mouth. Lots of poor people subsist in Korea.
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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
While on a bus in a traffic jam in Seongbuk-gu, Seoul, I was able to watch a transaction between a recycle center and the halmoni who arrived with a cart full of cardboard.
The halmoni had a full cart of cardboard. I don't know how long it took her to collect that. Maybe a full morning? Anyway, I distinctly saw the recycle center ajumma count her out 4000won.

A big portion of educated or connected Koreans are living well. The others are living hand to mouth. Lots of poor people subsist in Korea.


That's 2 kimbops, 2 ramyeons, and a bottle of soju. Sounds like fair payment for a morning spent in the "fresh" air.
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