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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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 Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject: U.S.: Saudis Still Filling Al Qaeda's Coffers |
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ABC News: The Blotter
U.S.: Saudis Still Filling Al Qaeda's Coffers
September 11, 2007 5:40 PM
Brian Ross Reports:
Ussaudisstill_mn Despite six years of promises, U.S. officials say Saudi Arabia continues to look the other way at wealthy individuals identified as sending millions of dollars to al Qaeda.
"If I could somehow snap my fingers and cut off the funding from one country, it would be Saudi Arabia," Stuart Levey, the under secretary of the Treasury in charge of tracking terror financing, told ABC News.
Despite some efforts as a U.S. ally in the war on terror, Levey says Saudi Arabia has dropped the ball. Not one person identified by the United States and the United Nations as a terror financier has been prosecuted by the Saudis, Levey says.
"When the evidence is clear that these individuals have funded terrorist organizations, and knowingly done so, then that should be prosecuted and treated as real terrorism because it is," Levey says.
Among those on the donor list, according to U.S. officials, is Yasin al Qadi, a wealthy businessman named on both the U.S. and U.N. lists of al Qaeda financiers one month after the 9/11 attacks.
Click Here for Full Blotter Coverage.
Al Qadi, who has repeatedly denied the allegations, remains free, still a prominent figure in Saudi Arabia.
Al Qadi's London-based attorney, Guy Martin of Carter-Ruck law firm, said the United States has never produced any evidence in support of the allegations against his client.
"He hasn't been tried, let alone convicted, anywhere in any jurisdiction in the world," said Martin. "While allegations have been made, there have been no formal criminal proceedings."
"This is a financial Guantanamo to my client who is the victim of a gross and on-going miscarriage of justice," said Martin. "This is a Kafka situation where people are put on this list with no due process."
While the Saudi embassy had no comment regarding Levey's specific allegations, a spokesman did note that after the Sept. 11 attacks, the country took prompt action and "required Saudi banks to identify and freeze all assets relating to terrorist suspects and entities per the list issued by the United States government." The statement went on to say that "Saudi banks have complied with the freeze requirements and have initiated investigations of transactions that suspects linked to Al Qaeda may have undertaken in the past."
U.S. officials say they are equally frustrated with what they call the empty promises of Pakistan to go after al Qaeda's sanctuaries in their country.
Pakistan says it is willing to take action if the U.S. provides details.
"If they had specific information, they should share it with us, and we would go after them," Pakistani Ambassador to the U.N. Munir Akram told ABC News.
When asked whether the U.S. can trust his country, Ambassador Akram said, "Well, if the U.S. doesn�t trust Pakistan, how can Pakistan be an ally of the U.S.?"
A question echoed by many in the U.S.
With fresh funds and a safe haven, al Qaeda has been able to recruit and train a new class of terrorists as well as send out a stream of new propaganda tapes.
Just today, al Qaeda's leader Osama bin Laden was seen on a second video this week, introducing the video will of one of the 9/11 hijackers.
"And it remains for us to do our part," bin Laden said as he held up 9/11 hijacker Waleed al Shehri's life as an example. "So I tell every young man among the youth of Islam: it is your duty to join the caravan until the sufficiency is complete and the march to aid the High and Omnipotent continues."
U.S. officials fear there are more like al Shehri heeding bin Laden's call and coming now from Pakistan.
"The consequence is that there is in effect a sanctuary in the northwest part of Pakistan, just like the sanctuary that used to exist before we invaded Afghanistan," Richard Clarke, the former White House counterterrorism official and now ABC News consultant, said.
Rhonda Schwartz and Maddy Sauer contributed to this report.
This post has been updated. |
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/09/us-saudis-still.html# |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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BOMB AFGHANISTAN !!!  |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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mmm seems like the invade Iraq to put pressure on Saudi Arabia and other states that fund terrorism plan ain't working so well. Who would have thunk it.
Really what an idiotic plan...15 of 19 terrorists come from England, lets invade Ireland...good plan!
When they do invade Ireland, I shoot upon the invading forces, I'm a criminal as I support terrorism...good plan!!
All the English and French nutjobs come into my country and start bombing the place to pieces..everybody wonder what went wrong with the plan..good plan!!!
Really..I despair sometimes.. |
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Masta_Don
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| But this war is all about rooting out AQ, right Joo? That's what going into Afghanistan and Iraq was for. It's an ideological war and Bush and Co. have the world's best interest in mind. Don't worry. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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That ain't all the Saudi's are doing.
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RADICAL international university students are posing a greater security threat than hardline sheiks by spreading extremist messages at Australian mosques and prayer halls.
Moderate Muslims warned yesterday that international students should be forced to undergo training about the Australian way of life to counter their radical interpretations of Islam.
The former chairman of John Howard's Islamic reference board, Ameer Ali, said some international students needed to be stopped from poisoning the minds of local Muslims.
"The danger here is that universities are becoming the hotbeds for fundamentalist views among students," he told The Australian.
"They (international students) go to the mosque and they mix around with the community and bring those same views into Australia. They have a negative influence on student attitudes towards religion.
"The students who come here, they come with the views (they've developed) in their own countries - it can be Shia Islam in Iran or Wahabbi Islam in Saudi Arabia. These are the agents of change we are facing now."
Dr Ali's comments follow revelations in The Australian that national security networks were monitoring some international students from Iran who were suspected of collecting information on the local Persian community for Tehran. It was revealed that Iranian students were using local mosques to infiltrate Persian groups hostile to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Dr Ali, a visiting fellow in economics at Murdoch University in Perth, accused overseas students from Saudi Arabia of spreading Wahabbism - a radical interpretation of Islam espoused by Osama bin Laden - at universities.
The number of Saudi students in Australia has risen almost eightfold in the past four years, bringing total enrolments to 2090.
The Australian revealed in March that up to 150 university students from Saudi Arabia, Algeria and Egypt who follow Wahabbism overthrew the leadership at the Newcastle Mosque, 160km north of Sydney. The students were accused by the mosque's then spiritual leader, Bilal Kanj, of converting local Muslims to Wahabbism.
Dr Ali's concerns about universities being used by hardline students to spread extremist Islam reflect those held by the British Government, which published a report last year warning lecturers to be vigilant of students distributing extremist literature.
The British report, titled Promoting good campus relations: dealing with hate crimes and intolerance, urged universities to form partnerships with the security authorities to report suspicious behaviour.
Dr Ali said it was difficult for immigration and university authorities here to screen international students for their extremists beliefs, but such ideologies could be countered and in some cases reversed through compulsory education.
He said Australian universities could lead the world in introducing Muslim hardline students to moderate Western thinking to help them question the views passed on to them at home.
Dr Ali said students would learn to question anything from social science to Islamic scripture. He called on universities nationwide to introduce a compulsory first-year elective course for international students - regardless of their ethnic or religious backgrounds - to teach them what was and was not tolerated by Australian society, and to help them develop a "critical mind" towards hardline anti-Western beliefs.
"The crux of the unit must be that what you read in the textbook, or the scripture or whatever, has to be tested with critical analysis," Dr Ali said.
He said such a subject would help to moderate the hardline Islamic ideologies held by some international students, without jeopardising the Australian education market, which is worth more than $2.2 billion a year.
"We are looking to develop a community of people who are moderate and who'll think critically of what rubbish comes from the outside," Dr Ali said. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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mmm seems like the invade Iraq to put pressure on Saudi Arabia and other states that fund terrorism plan ain't working so well. Who would have thunk it.
Really what an idiotic plan...15 of 19 terrorists come from England, lets invade Ireland...good plan!
When they do invade Ireland, I shoot upon the invading forces, I'm a criminal as I support terrorism...good plan!!
All the English and French nutjobs come into my country and start bombing the place to pieces..everybody wonder what went wrong with the plan..good plan!!!
Really..I despair sometimes.. |
Well it did sort of work for a while.
but anyway Afghanstan wouldn't have done the trick and Saddam and Iran would have loved to see Saudi Arabia be invaded.
And it is not the Saudi Royal family that is behind AQ.
A very serious situation had come into being. It will take time to correct but I think it will be easier than the cold war was. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Well it did sort of work for a while. |
lol..well that justifies it all then. Attack the guys who had nothing to do with 9-11...but its ok as it sorta worked for a while. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Well it did sort of work for a while. |
lol..well that justifies it all then. Attack the guys who had nothing to do with 9-11...but its ok as it sorta worked for a while. |
Saddam was wouldn't give up his war and he deserved to get attacked anyway. Plus were he not contained he would have done horrible stuff. and the US could not contain him forever. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Well it did sort of work for a while. |
lol..well that justifies it all then. Attack the guys who had nothing to do with 9-11...but its ok as it sorta worked for a while. |
Saddam was wouldn't give up his war and he deserved to get attacked anyway. Plus were he not contained he would have done horrible stuff. and the US could not contain him forever. |
He deserved to get attacked? Ammmerrrrrrrriccccaaa F*ck yea!
It's like the world has its own guardian angel...how nice. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Sure he did.
You are saying he didn't ?
The US wasn't being a guardian angel . 9-11 showed the mideast was a threat to the US but Saddam did deserve to be attacked.
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61,000 Baghdad residents executed by Saddam: survey
December 10, 2003
Saddam Hussein's government may have executed 61,000 Baghdad residents, a figure much higher than previously believed, a new study suggests.
The bloodiest massacres of Saddam's 23-year presidency occurred in Iraq's Kurdish north and Shi'ite Muslim south, but the Gallup Baghdad Survey data indicates the brutality also extended into the capital.
The survey asked 1178 Baghdad residents in August and September whether a member of their household had been executed by Saddam's regime, with 6.6 per cent saying yes.
The polling firm took metropolitan Baghdad's population of 6.39 million people, and average household size of 6.9 people, to calculate that 61,000 people were executed during Saddam's rule.
Past estimates were in the low tens of thousands. Most are believed to have been buried in mass graves.
The US-led occupation authority in Iraq has said at least 300,000 people were buried in mass graves in Iraq.
Human rights officials put the number closer to 500,000, and some Iraqi political parties estimate more than 1 million people were executed.
Without exhumations of the mass graves, it is impossible to confirm a figure. |
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/09/1070732211173.html |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Sure he did.
You are saying he didn't ?
The US wasn't being a guardian angel . 9-11 showed the mideast was a threat to the US but Saddam did deserve to be attacked.
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61,000 Baghdad residents executed by Saddam: survey
December 10, 2003
Saddam Hussein's government may have executed 61,000 Baghdad residents, a figure much higher than previously believed, a new study suggests.
The bloodiest massacres of Saddam's 23-year presidency occurred in Iraq's Kurdish north and Shi'ite Muslim south, but the Gallup Baghdad Survey data indicates the brutality also extended into the capital.
The survey asked 1178 Baghdad residents in August and September whether a member of their household had been executed by Saddam's regime, with 6.6 per cent saying yes.
The polling firm took metropolitan Baghdad's population of 6.39 million people, and average household size of 6.9 people, to calculate that 61,000 people were executed during Saddam's rule.
Past estimates were in the low tens of thousands. Most are believed to have been buried in mass graves.
The US-led occupation authority in Iraq has said at least 300,000 people were buried in mass graves in Iraq.
Human rights officials put the number closer to 500,000, and some Iraqi political parties estimate more than 1 million people were executed.
Without exhumations of the mass graves, it is impossible to confirm a figure. |
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/09/1070732211173.html |
Cmon dude, we've been here before. What about Rwanda? What about the sudan? Really..lets not pretend to be something we aren't.
Its actually funny to see all the other arguments for invasion shown to be lies or heinously flawed. This is what you fall back on..hilarious. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Sure he did.
You are saying he didn't ?
The US wasn't being a guardian angel . 9-11 showed the mideast was a threat to the US but Saddam did deserve to be attacked.
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61,000 Baghdad residents executed by Saddam: survey
December 10, 2003
Saddam Hussein's government may have executed 61,000 Baghdad residents, a figure much higher than previously believed, a new study suggests.
The bloodiest massacres of Saddam's 23-year presidency occurred in Iraq's Kurdish north and Shi'ite Muslim south, but the Gallup Baghdad Survey data indicates the brutality also extended into the capital.
The survey asked 1178 Baghdad residents in August and September whether a member of their household had been executed by Saddam's regime, with 6.6 per cent saying yes.
The polling firm took metropolitan Baghdad's population of 6.39 million people, and average household size of 6.9 people, to calculate that 61,000 people were executed during Saddam's rule.
Past estimates were in the low tens of thousands. Most are believed to have been buried in mass graves.
The US-led occupation authority in Iraq has said at least 300,000 people were buried in mass graves in Iraq.
Human rights officials put the number closer to 500,000, and some Iraqi political parties estimate more than 1 million people were executed.
Without exhumations of the mass graves, it is impossible to confirm a figure. |
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/09/1070732211173.html |
Cmon dude, we've been here before. What about Rwanda? What about the sudan? Really..lets not pretend to be something we aren't.
Its actually funny to see all the other arguments for invasion shown to be lies or heinously flawed. This is what you fall back on..hilarious. |
Wait a moment . I said Saddam deserved to be invaded.
Just cause there countries that deserved to be invaded but they weren't. It doesn't mean that Saddam didn't deserve to be invaded. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| So American governments can decide who can and can't be invaded..world police indeed. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| So American governments can decide who can and can't be invaded..world police indeed. |
They ought to do whatever they can to win the war.
Not about being world police. The Bathists the Khomeni followers and the Al Qaedists wouldn't give up their war.
Anything the US does to force them to is ok.
Please take my word on this if the US was fighting to steal their oil then the US would be wrong.
But fighting to force them to give up their war isn't wrong.
You think the US ought not hit them with everything it can come up with?
That might be your opinion but it is not mine.
Maybe if the UN was really worth some thing you might have a point. But the fact is the US is reponsible for its own security and it is not going to get any help from anyone else.
So the US has to do what it can to win which is to force the other side to quit or mess them up so badly that they can't fight effectively anymore.
That's it. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:35 am Post subject: |
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War..when did Iraq attack america? or for that matter Afghanistan? It seems the only country that did have many citizens involved was left alone.
american homeland security requires invading soveirgn nations who have never directly attacked the states...seems strange to me.
I don't see how this is a war, not what you were describing anyway. when did these groups attack mainland US? Seems only AQ fits the bill and they are the only ones who you seem to be avoiding. most of the attackers were saudi. |
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