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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject: Los Angeles eyes moratorium on fast-food outlets |
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An interesting article from the Christian Science Monitor
Diet-conscious Los Angeles eyes moratorium on fast-food outlets
By Daniel B. Wood
Thu Sep 13, 4:00 AM ET
Los Angeles - Pointing south from the corner of Figueroa and Adams in South Central L.A., Tanisha Jackson says when it comes to fast food, her community "has it all."
"If you want it cheap and quick � McDonald's, Burger King, Taco Bell, Kentucky Fried Chicken � we've got it," says the mother of two.
Some city officials see the myriad fast-food outlets as a health problem and are seeking change. "Fast food is primarily the only option for those who live and work here," says City Councilwoman Jan Perry. "It's become a public-health issue that residents be given healthier choices."
She has introduced a two-year moratorium on new fast-food outlets in this part of the city, where small, single-family homes dominate and gangs thrive in a rough urban landscape.
Many national food and health experts say the measure � which is slated for a vote on Sept. 18 � may be the first example of a health-zoning law in the United States. In 2006, New York City health committee chairman Joel Rivera lobbied against uncontrolled growth of fast-food chains, but did not introduce legislation. These observers are applauding the idea as a way to raise awareness about America's obesity epidemic, which hits poorer neighborhoods disproportionately.
"Limiting fast food could be a practical solution if it starts to address the imbalance of too many outlets with food that is not nutritious," says Mark Vallianatos, director of the Center for Food and Justice at Occidental College in Los Angeles.
Others say it is a well-meaning but misguided attempt by government to control social behavior, doomed to failure, like prohibition in the 1920s. "You can't regulate the supply side of a behavioral problem and expect results," says Dennis Lombardi, executive vice president of Foodservice Strategies, a consulting firm for the restaurant industry.
Perry says she introduced the legislation because statistics show that residents here have higher incidence of diseases that doctors link to obesity than the rest of the city and the county. "The side effect of a constant diet of fast food is that society pays in the long run in medical costs," she says.
The ordinance would affect about 700,000 residents of South Central, where a recent Los Angeles Times survey found that 46 percent of restaurants are fast-food chains, compared with 12 percent on the west side of Los Angeles.
Perry and her supporters acknowledge that health zoning raises some questions: Will other healthier restaurants move into the region if new fast-food outlets are prohibited? Can the city government aid that transition? Will residents frequent restaurants with healthier options?
"We should always be very cautious about restricting food and dining options for other groups of people," says Barry Glassner, professor of sociology at the University of Southern California and author of "The Gospel of Food: Everything You Think You Know About Food Is Wrong."
He and others cite several benefits fast-food restaurants offer to those living in poorer neighborhoods: good, inexpensive food; a safe environment for kids; and fast preparation, which is particularly appealing to single parents, many of whom work more than one job.
"If a particular community wants to kick out certain kinds of food, that is one thing. For outsiders to do it is patronizing and demeaning," says Dr. Glassner. "Calling all fast food evil is just too simplistic."
Still, others hold more moderate views. Kathleen Hall of the Stress Institute of Atlanta agrees that healthier eating contributes to a longer, more satisfying life. Besides food zoning, efforts must include educating youths about food, countering media influences, and promoting the importance of families eating together in quiet environments, she says.
"We have to teach inner-city kids how to eat or they will find the less healthy foods even at the better restaurants," she says. "Many of these fast-food outlets are actually offering healthier items, but they don't promote them as much as the fattier stuff because they make more money off the big meals."
Burger King, for example, has announced it will roll out apple slices in French-fry cups for kids' meals this fall. Earlier this year, Subway introduced a healthy kids menu, offering raisins or sliced apples instead of chips.
But more needs to be done to encourage healthier eating. Education means giving a higher priority to the health hazards of eating the wrong kinds of foods. In this sense, the proposal in L.A. could help create a more enlightened civic environment about public health.
"Los Angeles's ordinance is helping the community face the fact that there is collective responsibility in this as well as personal responsibility," says Christine Ferguson, director of the Stop Obesity Alliance in Washington.
But Perry and other health officials say they are not trying to play father figure to residents or even eliminate fast food from the city scene.
"The grocery stores in this area are terrible if you want healthy fresh fruits and vegetables," says Lark Galloway-Gilliam, executive director of L.A.-based Community Health Councils, a health policy advocacy group, and also a resident of South Central.
After the Rodney King riots in 1992 devastated these neighborhoods, officials promised more supermarkets and restaurants, she says. But for a variety of reasons, that has not happened.
"Sure, I can get a healthy salad at Whole Foods, if I want to drive 10 to 12 miles and take half an hour. This is not about regulating business; it's about planning communities and giving people healthy choices," Ms. Galloway-Gilliam says.
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thepeel
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Los Angeles eyes moratorium on fast-food outlets |
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After the Rodney King riots in 1992 devastated these neighborhoods, [b]officials promised more supermarkets and restaurants, she says. But for a variety of reasons, that has not happened.
"Sure, I can get a healthy salad at Whole Foods, if I want to drive 10 to 12 miles and take half an hour. This is not about regulating business; it's about planning communities and giving people healthy choices," Ms. Galloway-Gilliam says.[/b] |
If there was a demand for healthy choices, the market would provide. The reason that whole foods is so popular is not that the government forces people to shop there, but that certain sectors of the population are becoming more health conscious.
I don't really know what the policy solution to the obesity problem is, or if obesity is a problem that warrants policy. But I don't think that ending the construction of new joint is the solution. |
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Masta_Don

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Silly LA. If this is really what you want to do, give incentives for people who eat healthy. Subsidize healthy fast food. Change zoning laws to allow for street stands that offer only healthy options. Things like that, not taking anyway the freedom of choice.
"Why won't my government give me a Whole Foods too? I mean, I'd love to eat healthy but that takes effort. The government should spoon feed me and then all my worries would disappear." |
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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: Los Angeles eyes moratorium on fast-food outlets |
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BJWD wrote: |
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After the Rodney King riots in 1992 devastated these neighborhoods, [b]officials promised more supermarkets and restaurants, she says. But for a variety of reasons, that has not happened.
"Sure, I can get a healthy salad at Whole Foods, if I want to drive 10 to 12 miles and take half an hour. This is not about regulating business; it's about planning communities and giving people healthy choices," Ms. Galloway-Gilliam says.[/b] |
If there was a demand for healthy choices, the market would provide. The reason that whole foods is so popular is not that the government forces people to shop there, but that certain sectors of the population are becoming more health conscious.
I don't really know what the policy solution to the obesity problem is, or if obesity is a problem that warrants policy. But I don't think that ending the construction of new joint is the solution. |
The reason that whole foods is so popular is not that the government forces people to shop there, but that certain sectors of the population have access to it. But I tihnk your point is valid too.
If there was a whole foods would people shop there in the first place? I say they give people the information about healthy food choices and all that stuff, put in a whole foods and see what happens...But that would only work in fantasy land.
It's so screwy that crap food is way cheaper than fresh veggies and fruits. But then again I remember reading an article about a mayot in New Jersey (or some other state, I can't remember) who decided to live off food stamps for a week (or month) and he had a former food stamp recipient show him the ropes. At one point he started walking towards the fruits and vegetable aisle and the woman tapped him on the shoulder and told him that there wouldn't be enough money for any of that. I'm not saying that the people in the story are necessarily on food stamps but if they were cheap food, no matter how unhealthy, will beat out veggies any day of the week... |
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thepeel
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: Los Angeles eyes moratorium on fast-food outlets |
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The reason that whole foods is so popular is not that the government forces people to shop there, but that certain sectors of the population have access to it. But I tihnk your point is valid too. |
Of course, every supermarket and corner store has healthy options. It isn't an either/or. You don't have to drive to the whole foods to get wheat bread or apples. And whole foods is darn expensive too.
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It's so screwy that crap food is way cheaper than fresh veggies and fruits. |
Yes, it is. Trade policy determines much of this. Where I live in free-trading Singapore, I can get a pomello, my favorite fruit, for 1.20$US. I buy a watermelon almost every other day for 1.60-2.20$USD. Apples are about 20cent per, if you know where to look. But the USA, like almost the whole world, protects local farmers but preventing some trade. I eat more fruit a day now than I ate in a week in Canada, or a month in Korea. It is cost-effective! |
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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: Los Angeles eyes moratorium on fast-food outlets |
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BJWD wrote: |
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The reason that whole foods is so popular is not that the government forces people to shop there, but that certain sectors of the population have access to it. But I tihnk your point is valid too. |
Of course, every supermarket and corner store has healthy options. It isn't an either/or. You don't have to drive to the whole foods to get wheat bread or apples. And whole foods is darn expensive too.
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It's so screwy that crap food is way cheaper than fresh veggies and fruits. |
Yes, it is. Trade policy determines much of this. Where I live in free-trading Singapore, I can get a pomello, my favorite fruit, for 1.20$US. I buy a watermelon almost every other day for 1.60-2.20$USD. Apples are about 20cent per, if you know where to look. But the USA, like almost the whole world, protects local farmers but preventing some trade. I eat more fruit a day now than I ate in a week in Canada, or a month in Korea. It is cost-effective! |
I'm telling you...not every corner store has fruit or vegetables....That much is for sure. I have to give Mini-Stop, 7-11, and all the others here for at least tossing out a piece of fruit here and there.... |
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thepeel
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: Los Angeles eyes moratorium on fast-food outlets |
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Alyallen wrote: |
BJWD wrote: |
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The reason that whole foods is so popular is not that the government forces people to shop there, but that certain sectors of the population have access to it. But I tihnk your point is valid too. |
Of course, every supermarket and corner store has healthy options. It isn't an either/or. You don't have to drive to the whole foods to get wheat bread or apples. And whole foods is darn expensive too.
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It's so screwy that crap food is way cheaper than fresh veggies and fruits. |
Yes, it is. Trade policy determines much of this. Where I live in free-trading Singapore, I can get a pomello, my favorite fruit, for 1.20$US. I buy a watermelon almost every other day for 1.60-2.20$USD. Apples are about 20cent per, if you know where to look. But the USA, like almost the whole world, protects local farmers but preventing some trade. I eat more fruit a day now than I ate in a week in Canada, or a month in Korea. It is cost-effective! |
I'm telling you...not every corner store has fruit or vegetables....That much is for sure. I have to give Mini-Stop, 7-11, and all the others here for at least tossing out a piece of fruit here and there.... |
Yeah, you're right. I should have been more clear. I think you can get healthy-ish food at a corner store. |
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ChimpumCallao

Joined: 17 May 2005 Location: your mom
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:57 am Post subject: |
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thats awesome...
take away all the low skill entry level jobs in a poor neighborhood.
take away convenient, cheap food from single parents.
provide expensive food that there is no demand for.
The last time i checked, all grocery stores sold fruits and veggies. If people want to eat healthy they will. Bananas are cheap and convenient. So are wheat thins, apples, and frozen bags of veggies.
It is time to stop treating poor people like helpless children who are incapable of making their own choices. If there is a demand, the market will rectify itself. The poor are not the governments playthings. They are freaking people. |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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Can you say typical liberal mentality? We know what's good for you and you need a keeper to make sure you stay healthy. This is the "nanny state" concept run amok. Welcome to Hillary's America. Give me a break! |
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Adventurer

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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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What I would like to see in more areas of America more walk ways, more stores closer to communites so people would walk more, more parks, more bike paths. It is not simply just eliminating bad things that we eat, but being not so anti-walking by so many of those urban planners. I found it hard to walk around in some areas. |
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