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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Canada: Really, you experience racism? What can we do to make you feel more at home? Any government programs?
Korea: Really, you experience racism? You don't understand Korean culture. You never will but you should try. |
Back in Vancouver I often say 'waeguk' while passing a Korean on the street. I suppose that's not a good thing. But it sure is fun.  |
Then you are an idiot and the Korean knows it.
Waegook means non-Korean...not foreigner. So you are calling a Korean a non-Korean. Nice.
You'd either call him gyopo or U-hakseng (student abroad).
so what is the moral of this report? Let's not be subtle and be blatant racists? It'll hurt less. |
I wonder where people get this idea that 외국인 means non-Korean....
From naver.com
foreigner
1 외국인, 외인, 이방인
2 《구어》 국외자, 타향 사람
3 외국 제품, 외래품, 외래 동[식]물;[pl.] 외국 증권
4 외국선
외국인
외국인(外國人) a foreigner;people from[in] other countries;a foreign national;『법률』 an alien |
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mack4289
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Regarding not getting invited somewhere with the Korean teachers, aren't you glad not to get invited? I do get invited, which is kind of funny because they're only inviting me to be polite and I only accept to be polite. Then I go there and stare at the wall while they speak to each other in Korean. Trust me, you're not missing much. |
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Neil
Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: Tokyo
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Pak Yu Man wrote: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
Canada: Really, you experience racism? What can we do to make you feel more at home? Any government programs?
Korea: Really, you experience racism? You don't understand Korean culture. You never will but you should try. |
Back in Vancouver I often say 'waeguk' while passing a Korean on the street. I suppose that's not a good thing. But it sure is fun. |
Then you are an idiot and the Korean knows it.
Waegook means non-Korean...not foreigner. So you are calling a Korean a non-Korean. Nice.
You'd either call him gyopo or U-hakseng (student abroad).
so what is the moral of this report? Let's not be subtle and be blatant racists? It'll hurt less.
Edit: When my girls are old enough to talk...I'm going to force them to say "anyeong" to every Asian my wife and I suspect are Korean.
Maybe get them to giggle and run away. Anyone else with good ideas? |
일본 사람? should go down a treat. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:11 am Post subject: |
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| Neil wrote: |
| Pak Yu Man wrote: |
| Tokki1 wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
Canada: Really, you experience racism? What can we do to make you feel more at home? Any government programs?
Korea: Really, you experience racism? You don't understand Korean culture. You never will but you should try. |
Back in Vancouver I often say 'waeguk' while passing a Korean on the street. I suppose that's not a good thing. But it sure is fun. |
Then you are an idiot and the Korean knows it.
Waegook means non-Korean...not foreigner. So you are calling a Korean a non-Korean. Nice.
You'd either call him gyopo or U-hakseng (student abroad).
so what is the moral of this report? Let's not be subtle and be blatant racists? It'll hurt less.
Edit: When my girls are old enough to talk...I'm going to force them to say "anyeong" to every Asian my wife and I suspect are Korean.
Maybe get them to giggle and run away. Anyone else with good ideas? |
일본 사람? should go down a treat. |
Trust me... there are plenty of people that see a Korean and call him Chinese or Japanese that any extra salt would just be unnecessary. |
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New Balance
Joined: 15 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| Who cares? Let's all just punch the next person in the face because there's "something" that is different about them. |
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little mixed girl
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: shin hyesung's bed~
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:03 am Post subject: |
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"god, i swear that people on this board can only see things from their point of view."
Um basically, yeah, doesn't every person in the world see things from his/her own point of view?
I know, we should have empathy, put yourself in the other's shoes, but, really, a point of view is limited to the one person who has it. Now, having no point of view might be interesting. |
it's not that hard to try and see things from another person's point of view.
"why might she think this way? well, let me think about reasons why that might be..."
etc. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Contrast this with this Korean web-site, which has "interesting" forum names such as Dirty JjaJjang Chinese, Small Accident Nepalese, and African Trash Nigerians.
Of course, that pales in comparison to the hate-crime of not being invited to dinner.
(Hat Tip to http://www.mongdori.com) |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| little mixed girl wrote: |
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"god, i swear that people on this board can only see things from their point of view."
Um basically, yeah, doesn't every person in the world see things from his/her own point of view?
I know, we should have empathy, put yourself in the other's shoes, but, really, a point of view is limited to the one person who has it. Now, having no point of view might be interesting. |
it's not that hard to try and see things from another person's point of view.
"why might she think this way? well, let me think about reasons why that might be..."
etc. |
I agree it isn't that hard to try, but sometimes it is hard to accomplish, as evidenced by the unrelenting arguments between posters, and people in real life sometimes, who will not budge from their respective standpoints to give the other a window of expression. Stubborn, strong opinions resist flexibility. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:58 am Post subject: |
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I find it interesting that this dude explains that one of these scenarios:
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For example, if your colleagues invite others to dinner but not you, it is hard to know if it is because they've known each other for a long time, because they don't like you or because they are uncomfortable with people of your race.
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Isn't it possible that Koreans are having trouble understanding Canadian culture? |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Koreans holler "헬로 나이스 투 밋 유" at every foreigner they see on the street, and then complain because they don't get invited to dinner?
I'm weeping buckets!
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| Korea: Really, you experience racism? You don't understand Korean culture. You never will but you should try. |
I second that.
On one job, the supervisor tried to make me write the student evaluations in English, even though the Korean teacher was writing them in Korean.
Her reasoning was that the parents didn't expect me to know Korean, and I shouldn't disturb their expectations.
I said, "We try not to discriminate against foreigners in my country, you should pay us the same courtesy."
She said, "But this is different." |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Contrast this with this Korean web-site, which has "interesting" forum names such as Dirty JjaJjang Chinese, Small Accident Nepalese, and African Trash Nigerians. |
They even teach their children to make fun of other nationalities.
Here is a song which I copied from a kindergarten song book:
When foreigners dance, they shake their heads and shake their bodies.
They shake everything. We don't do that.
Arirang, arirang, arariyo. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Back in Vancouver I often say 'waeguk' while passing a Korean on the street. |
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| Waegook means non-Korean...not foreigner. |
| Alyallen wrote: |
| I wonder where people get this idea that 외국인 means non-Korean.... |
I'll take a middle-of-the-road position on this argument.
Koreans assume that no one but Koreans will ever speak Korean,
and their dictionary shows it.
우리말, which literally means "our language," is defined as "Korean."
우리나라, which literally means "our country," is defined as "Korea."
우리나라꽃, which literally means "our national flower," is defined as "Rose of Sharon." |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Oh, come on...
Demographics of Toronto
Yes, I realize that there are minorities in Toronto. Yes I realize that Toronto is billed as "the most multi-cultural city in the world."
But, just because the diversity of the minority population is high doesn't mean that there are less white people in that city. 57.2% of the population is white. That means that there are almost double the amount of white people per capita in Toronto than there are in my home county.
Hell, there are less white people per capita In New York City than there are in Toronto. In 2005 44% of the population was white in New York City. In all of Ontario, it's crazy how white it is...
I was just joking about the redundancy thing, but don't try to tell me that Toronto isn't a white city just because it's billed as diverse and you've seen a few Rastafarians at the mall. |
the U.S.A is more than 75% white. Check your stats. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, come on...
Demographics of Toronto
Yes, I realize that there are minorities in Toronto. Yes I realize that Toronto is billed as "the most multi-cultural city in the world."
But, just because the diversity of the minority population is high doesn't mean that there are less white people in that city. 57.2% of the population is white. That means that there are almost double the amount of white people per capita in Toronto than there are in my home county.
Hell, there are less white people per capita In New York City than there are in Toronto. In 2005 44% of the population was white in New York City. In all of Ontario, it's crazy how white it is...
I was just joking about the redundancy thing, but don't try to tell me that Toronto isn't a white city just because it's billed as diverse and you've seen a few Rastafarians at the mall. |
the U.S.A is more than 75% white. Check your stats. |
I never said it wasn't. |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, come on...
Demographics of Toronto
Yes, I realize that there are minorities in Toronto. Yes I realize that Toronto is billed as "the most multi-cultural city in the world."
But, just because the diversity of the minority population is high doesn't mean that there are less white people in that city. 57.2% of the population is white. That means that there are almost double the amount of white people per capita in Toronto than there are in my home county.
Hell, there are less white people per capita In New York City than there are in Toronto. In 2005 44% of the population was white in New York City. In all of Ontario, it's crazy how white it is...
I was just joking about the redundancy thing, but don't try to tell me that Toronto isn't a white city just because it's billed as diverse and you've seen a few Rastafarians at the mall. |
It worries me that you are almost being Korean here. Just because people are white, doesn't mean they aren't minorities. White people aren't all one culture. The minorities in Toronto take up much more than 50% of the population. Only around 50% of people in Toronto were born in Canada. |
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