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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject: Baseball, roids and race.... Reply with quote

An interesting article on all three....

I am getting really sick of all these doping and cheating scandals. Please oh please sports gods, don't let there be a doping scandal involving rugby players....

Why aren't Ankiel and Bonds painted with the same brush?
By Jemele Hill
Page 2

Race should be injected into a conversation judiciously and sometimes, slowly. So before I explain how the coverage and reaction to Rick Ankiel's alleged misdeeds represent racial bias at its worst, I need to first disclose a few things.

I don't support Barry Bonds. I believe he took steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs. Nevertheless, he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame and any talk of placing asterisks next to his accomplishments is just flat-out silly.

Seems like some of the same people who took Barry Bonds to task are giving Rick Ankiel the benefit of the doubt. But if there was any question about whether Bonds was treated differently because he is African-American, it was answered last week with Ankiel, a feel-good story that looks to be a tall tale.

A double standard the size of Bonds' head is being exercised with Ankiel, whose involvement with a human growth hormone scandal is being rationalized by some fans and members of the media.

I get that Bonds is far more talented and accomplished than Ankiel, and therefore creates far more media coverage. I also get that, to some degree, this is a popularity contest, since public perception is that Ankiel is considered more likable than Bonds. But what I don't get is the spin being put on Ankiel's alleged HGH use.

I don't get how people, with a straight face, can make Ankiel's use of HGH seem heroic, but treat Bonds like a war criminal. I've been as tough on Bonds as anyone, but at least I'm consistent. I don't support Bonds and certainly not what seems to me to be a fraudulent comeback by Ankiel.

But if you are one of those people who swears that race has nothing to do with the Bonds backlash, the treatment of Ankiel is an enormous setback to your argument.

Consider the evidence: Bonds was connected to BALCO. Ankiel is connected to Signature, a disreputable pharmacy under investigation for illegally distributing performance-enhancing drugs to a bevy of professional athletes.

The New York Daily News reported Ankiel received eight shipments of HGH in 2004 -- a year before Major League Baseball put it on its banned substances list. This supposedly exonerates Ankiel from any wrongdoing. Bonds also took HGH and steroids before they were banned by MLB, but you can bet Ankiel won't be booed at ballparks or have syringes thrown at him.

If you can't believe Bonds didn't "knowingly" take performance-enhancing drugs, why would you ever believe Ankiel stopped taking a banned substance that MLB can't test for or that taking HGH had nothing to do with his miraculous major league comeback?

Ankiel's explanation is as shaky as Idaho Senator Larry Craig's, and certainly no better than what Bonds offered.

Ankiel claimed he was prescribed HGH to recover faster from his reconstructive elbow surgery.

Shockingly, I've heard sports talk radio hosts and others in the media sanction this excuse and they've even gone so far as to say Ankiel's use of HGH was necessary to maintain his health.

Tell me we're not naive enough to believe athletes are taking HGH just for the health benefits. They're not going to risk their reputation, careers and freedom for a beefed-up version of Neosporin. They take HGH because while it assists with injuries, it also makes them stronger and more potent, and therefore better at their sport.

If Ankiel's possession of HGH was above board, why did he have it shipped to him at a separate facility, which coincidentally also is under investigation for illegally supplying HGH and steroids?

Commissioner Bud Selig had no problem insinuating Bonds' guilt through passive-aggressive behavior during the home run chase, but he hasn't said a word about Ankiel, Troy Glaus or Jay Gibbons -- the other players who have been implicated in this HGH scandal. The commissioner just wants to "talk" to Ankiel, Glaus and Gibbons at some point about HGH. I'm sure Jason Giambi will serve the coffee.

If you struggle to understand why busloads of black people show up outside a courthouse with "Free Vick" signs and T-shirts, the free pass Ankiel has received should explain it.

It's not that African-Americans fail to recognize when someone black has done something wrong. It's that white athletes are usually given the benefit of the doubt when they're associated with trouble -- even when common sense and evidence dictate otherwise -- and African-Americans feel if they don't provide some semblance of fairness with their athletes, no one else will.

During the Vick saga I received numerous e-mails from white Americans who didn't understand why African-Americans couldn't just look at the evidence and see that Vick was guilty.

Yet many of them can't do the same when it comes to white athletes who look just as guilty as Bonds and Vick.

Roger Clemens' late-career spike and body changes are just as suspicious as Bonds, and Clemens' name surfaced in Jose Canseco's book. But any mention of that is considered sacrilege.

Pete Rose committed the worst sin a professional athlete can and some fans still want him back in baseball, and the Hall of Fame. But Bonds' records should be wiped clean?

Not a soul has called for Glaus, who the Daily News said received several shipments of testosterone and nandrolone, to return his World Series MVP. No one is saying the nine home runs and 29 RBIs Ankiel has hit since being called up from the minors last month shouldn't count. Some fans already have decided that deception and dishonesty shouldn't get in the way of their heart-warming story.

Of course, at some point, we're going to have to have an educated, honest, but painful discussion about performance-enhancing drugs. It's obvious we can't stop athletes from using them, and research suggests monitored usage of HGH and steroids among males of a certain age is a good thing. It could prevent future athletes from winding up like Earl Campbell, who needs a wheelchair to deal with severely arthritic knees. It might be time to either consider the outrageous plan of allowing controlled usage of performance-enhancing drugs in professional sports leagues or adopting world anti-doping standards, which require stringent blood testing.

But now that golden boy Ankiel has been caught, something tells me people will be much more eager to talk sensibly about performance-enhancing drugs. They certainly weren't willing to talk about it when Bonds' king-sized head was on the chopping block.

Page 2 columnist Jemele Hill can be reached at [email protected].

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/070911&sportCat=mlb
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MANDRL



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the articles written by Jemele Hill. I think that there is some element of the race card in the coverage of performance enhancing drugs. However, I think it is underestimated how much of a jerk an individual is to others and the media, correlating to how the media reports on that individual.

Look at Pats coach Bill Belichick, always been an ass to people and the media, so the media has been covering the Patriots story around the clock. Bonds has always been a horrible teammate and is very bad with the media. So I think this is part of the reason the media really goes after Bonds. You can't tell me a reporter who has had bad run-ins with Bonds would not foam at the mouth to get a shot at him.

This other dude, Ankiel, had a great comeback story and now it comes out how he was able to come back, which sucks. He was a darling story so I think the media has cut him some slack to this point. How about Clemens though, I think that guy has used HGH or 'roids and nobody in the media has really called him out, which I wish they would.

I don't know how much race goes into the coverage of these stories, but I think it plays some part. However, I think how much the person is liked goes further than the race card in determining how much coverage is allocated for the given athlete or story. I also think, in regards to Bonds, he just broke one of the most coveted, if not the most coveted record in all of sports, and has been on the radar to do just that for many years. That has to play into all the baseball purist sports writers who cringe at the though of their best record being broken by a guy who did so by cheating, and relish any opportunity to throw him under the bus. Just my opinion.
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I hear ya. But it certainly is funny that Ankiel's basically a big fat fraud and no one's calling for his head. I missed out on the Disney Movie like comeback until he crashed and burned. I guess his head isn't big enough, ego-wise or physically like Bond's to warrant a public tar and feathering...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alyallen wrote:
Yeah, I hear ya. But it certainly is funny that Ankiel's basically a big fat fraud and no one's calling for his head. I missed out on the Disney Movie like comeback until he crashed and burned. I guess his head isn't big enough, ego-wise or physically like Bond's to warrant a public tar and feathering...


I think it's got more to with breaking records rather than race. If Ankiel was the one breaking records and there was suspicion that he did so by taking drugs, you can bet there would be a hue and cry. But it's a lot harder to knock someone who is claiming to take these for medical reasons.

Basically it seems people don't really care unless records are being broken. Then all the baseball purists show up and make a big thing about it.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Conservative wrote:
Alyallen wrote:
Yeah, I hear ya. But it certainly is funny that Ankiel's basically a big fat fraud and no one's calling for his head. I missed out on the Disney Movie like comeback until he crashed and burned. I guess his head isn't big enough, ego-wise or physically like Bond's to warrant a public tar and feathering...


I think it's got more to with breaking records rather than race. If Ankiel was the one breaking records and there was suspicion that he did so by taking drugs, you can bet there would be a hue and cry. But it's a lot harder to knock someone who is claiming to take these for medical reasons.

Basically it seems people don't really care unless records are being broken. Then all the baseball purists show up and make a big thing about it.


And you are right. The article is about race and I don't necessarily see it that way. What I don't understand is that getting prescription drugs without havng seen the doctor prescribing it is illegal. So even if Ankiel needed it for a medical issue, he went about it the completely wrong way. In any event, if he needed it for his arm or whatever, why not get it from the team doctor and be done with it? He's just another drugged up athlete and I don't like how people are taking lapping up his lame excuse...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree. It is most certainly a race issue, albeit under the surface. Bonds' dislikability is a factor, a big factor, but also just a smoke screen.

Remember when Sosa and McGuire were going at the HR title? Those rooting for Sosa and those rooting for McGuire were almost certainly divided along the racial divide.

It is hard to quantify, but my gut feeling is race is involved. Nobody likes a pompous A-hole, which Bonds is, but even more nobodys, especially white journalist nobodys, like a black-record-breaking-pompous-A-hole.

Ron Artest? That entire media frenzy was race based.
There are 2 kinds of people in the world. Those who play sports and those who comment on it.

Every athlete in the world should have stood behind Artest.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wanda Sykes had a hilarious response to that. I was looking for the quote, but I couldn�t find it online. Something along the lines of, shoes enhance your perforce, and we want extreme results, and that�s what steroids are about�except funny.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love baseball. I don't really care who is doing what. I just like to see a well played game.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger Clemens wins Cy Young awards and actually becomes a more dominating player after age 35, when most players began to show the signs of aging, in particular a hard-throwing guy like him. His name came up in a leaked report about steroids, yet he is not only a certifiable first ballot hall of famer (Barry Bonds would have been too had he continued his pre-roid pace) but a national hero - earlier this year when the Yankees signed him he was instantly annointed savior of "America's team". At the end of this year, if Clemens decides to stop his obscene assault on common sense, he will retire to praise the likes of which Barry Bonds might not have received even if he were clean (he ain't).

Look at Clemens numbers for the past 10 years, compare them to his numbers for the 10 years before that. Even Nolan Ryan doesn't come close, nor does Gaylord Perry, both guys that pitched for a looong time. Can anyone with half a brain reasonably assert that a guy would win 3 Cy Youngs by age 28, then go 5 years without another only to win 4 more after age 34 and his last at age 41???? His name has come up numerous times in steroids discussions, including in Canseco's book, and he is certainly shattering records at an eye-popping pace.

Don't like awards and think the Cy Young is a popularity contest? Okay, there is more. In his 30's, he twice had seasons with an era of less than 3. In his 40s (he is 45 now, I believe) he has had 3 such seasons!!! keep in mind that this is a guy who was a workhorse and yet still posted his lowest era EVER at age 42.

No, its not about race, or not only about race. It's about American myth-making, and surly, juiced-up, black Barry Bonds doesn't get to participate, but surly, juiced-up white Roger Clemens does. People talk about all the progress that's been made since Henry Aaron got death threats for breaking the home run record, but I'd bet Bonds gets more death threats this month than Aaron got all that year.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well said jg
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well said jg
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